Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Scrubbin_Bubbles, Aug 24, 2011.
Money to burn
Isn't MGM in bankruptcy? Maybe they could at least film the implosion for a movie or something.
poor construction, bad investment, bad selection of build contractors.
they took a gamble... and lost. yeeeeaaaaa
Are you kidding, this won't end up costing MGM a cent.
Who ever built the thing is going to get sued out of business and their insurance co is going to pick up the tab. The general contractor wants to fix the building because even though it will cost him money, It will be a hell of a lot cheaper than tearing down the building and paying for the whole thing. MGM will probably make money if the thing gets torn down, they can sue for the cost of construction, and lost revenue.
And all contractors liability and bond prices will go up. I can barely afford it now. It's getting to where it's past being not feasible to be legit.
How is this not all the contractors fault anyway?
It is the contractors fault. Same general contractor whose poor safey practices resulted in 6 deaths on city center.
Bad designers/architects fault. The building safety inspectors and the construction contractor have no choice but to follow the designs/blueprints by the numbers. The fault lies with the designer and the building official that the designer paid off to pass the plans.
The first step in creating a building is to go through zoning authorization/public hearings and plan check. That is where the bad designing should have been caught as well as at every stage that an inspection was required. The system works sans bribery. In this case, the system broke down miserably. If the contractor was cutting corners or deviating from specs and plans, it should have been caught and dealt with immediately. There is absolutely no way that building should have been constructed as far as it was. that is why we have building codes and city building safety departments.
lots of people getting fired over that. or again, maybe not.
Nah, no matter how big the city, the "good-ole-boy" system is in place. They'll all protect their own asses and the contractor will take the shit.
Shit rolls downhill.
can't blame the engineers on this one.
But I can blame the inspector that signs off before concrete gets poured. There is a rigorous inspection before anything ever gets covered up.
you're HVAC, you know this. It's true for homes, it's true for skyscrapers. If the inspectors and contractors were simply going by the plans, then that takes it back to the designers and the plancheck department. More than likely, the inspector was paid off.
I repeat, there are checks and balances, but the system broke down. The usual cause: bribery.
Yea I do know, but honestly, the inspection process for HVAC around here is a joke. Makes it hard to get jobs and do them right when so many contractors get away with hackery.
I'm fixing one right now, where the furnace return was sized for 15% of what it should have been. Can't believe people get away with that kinda stuff.
i wish we had that problem here. The city is worse than the county but bot agencies go by the book. If it's not on their Ipad ap for the CABO, IBC or UBC, it doesn't exist. i miss the old school inspectors that'd let certain special circumstances slide or let you correct and cover if it was safe to do so..
I've had a few that knew what they were doing, but unfortunately i know the code better than they do. in a lot of small municipalities, the inspector asks me if the commercial hood is installed correctly.
The newest professionals aren't trained to use common sense and think on their own. If it's not on a computer screne it's not going to pass or is considered impossible. The lead detective for the Menendev Brothers murder case in socal told me the same thing about the police force down there.
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