which one of you phaggots stole my idea. i posted a thread or reply about my ventures into this, and whale whale whale someone beat me to the punch. http://dgrnewsservice.org/2012/02/2...ited-states-to-begin-using-drones-in-90-days/
WTF?! Taking bets on where the first place they'll be used...the poor black community of course (Poor meaning low income). So England has CCTV's everywhere and we will have drones all in the name of 'securit-I'. Torx, we can start an anti-drone company that's marketed for citizens with privacy concerns.
Let's see: *control what people learn: check *contron what people hear: check *control what people see: check *create total dependence on commercial sustainance: check *addict people to controllable and surveillable tech: check *enable mucky-mucks to access every hard drive: check *run amok with people's money: check *Bring soldiers home: check *Put cameras anywhere and everywhere: check I dunno.....what's it add up to in your mind?
The cops just go where the crime is, no reason to make it a racial thing. My guess it'll be used mostly in highway speed traps and high speed chases.
or, in NYC: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-02-25/Students-on-NYPD-surveillance/53248810/1 Police don't just go where the "crime" is. They go anywhere/everywhere that there may be a lead or where there may be a criminal scheme hatched. This includes innocent peoples lives and anything/anyone connected to those people. The concept of "pre-emption" puts every single persons total lives under a magnifying lense. Do we really want to live tht way? Add to that the fact that they don't neccessarily operate on the most secure networks and everyone's darkest secrets and privacy is up for grabs to whomever puts the effort out to access it.
I think it's safe to say that you're view of law enforcement and authority is more than a little bit colored, from a lifetime of well deserved batons and boots to the head. C'mon, you hate The Man because he kicked your ass for breaking the law and being a nuisance to those around you. Not to say we shouldn't fear the police state and work to keep it in check, but your point of view is distorted and extreme as always. [/queue 500 word essay about how blind we all are to the growing threat]
Or.......as noted from a person standing outside the herd watching in utter amazement at so much disreguard of a potentially dangerous situation? Besides it'd stand to reason that a person who has had a bit more contact with the law, would have a bit more insight as to how the police operate, now wouldn't it? Some people's view of anything I write is as colored by their own experience or lack thereof, or by just plain denial in order to keep up appearances or illusions. But..... .....not everyone. So discounting me won't change whatmillions of other people are seeing too. Whisling to oneself in the dark, won't keep the boogie-man in check. Neither will keeping quiet. Not quite 500 words, sorry to dissappoint.
Race and Class is still and always will be a factor in this country just like they have tribal and religious issues all over the world this is reality without rose colored glasses. Of course it won't be just black communities that will be survivable by this technology. For the record I'm not anti-LE we need LE for a functioning society. They have a tough job and I will not belittle them just remember they have a chain of command and are expected to follow orders. The police are the foot soldiers on the front lines who have to put up with a lot of shit.
All this said, I'm actually against it's use without cause. Posted areas patrolling for speeders? Sure. Used tactically for drug raids and such? Absolutely. Drones circling the hood spying on people? Absolutely not.
Same here, so long as it's perfect technology weilded by perfect police agencies under perfect circumstances. See where I'm really coming from?
Any tool, even the lowly screwdriver, has the potential for abuse and evil. We just have to stay vigilant, and have a little faith is society. If it were discovered that these things were flying over neighborhoods regularly there would be a huge public outcry and it would be stopped. The "herd" isn't as blind and stupid as you believe.
I listen to what folks believe, and I just can't think that "the herd" isn't as unseeing and overly-complacent as I believe!
Wouldn't be hard to thwart those things. The HMMWVs in IRAQ have a jamming system on them called 'DUKE" that could bring down drones. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/7/coming-to-a-sky-near-you/
Now that would be the proper use of drones Take a good look around and bring up faith in society. It's true, I haven't much, and have less each week. What's more, I don't see a whole lot of people caring enough to do something even if they do witness atrocity. Some do, but not enough to make a difference. enough of those silly judges, lawyers and jurries, all we want is the executioner. Never mind the collateral damage. Our majors, colonels and generals will decide in expert, unerring judgements. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012...305?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews&rpc=76
I definitely agree with wiskas on this one. This is bullshit, and it will be abused, don't think it won't. One more step closer to a complete police state, thanks Obama. But it's good to know that there's always people that are one step ahead of the cops. I'm sure there will be a way to mess with these drones. Hell, I would. edit: When you buy property, what's the deal with the air rights? I'm guessing you don't get any just buying a house, but if you did, that would be a good way to keep them off your property.
I have been trolling in here a while and finally thought I would post something. From what I have heard they have been using these for a while on the borders. They seem to be pushing to make it more over the rest of the states. Kinda sad, but they have been pushing this for a while. Check out this read for some good news on the NDAA/censorship fronts... http://open.salon.com/blog/watching...wing_occupy_hr_347_makes_free_speech_a_felony Its pretty wild that we are in the state where we are these days.
Nope, no air rights. When you buy property, you don't get sovereignty or a title, you get a "deed".....that's a document that binds you to the liability and taxes for that property....oh yeah, you can name your property anything (allmost) that you want and almost be the boss on that property. Then there's this little thing called eminent domain that can make that document dissolve. Part of the problem with modern surveilence and technological means of domestic spying, is that there are no rules governing them yet. There are old rules that don't really apply but no political resolve to create new laws within our constitution for the use of these gadgets. The laws haven't even caught up to cell phones yet. The rules in place now leave a lot of lattitude for loopholes and abuses.
And don't you just love how the use of that has expanded lately? Some developer wants property, and he gets his paid government officials to condemn the property under eminent domain, by calling whole neighborhoods a "blight", then handing the properties over to the private developer for private development. Even more than being watched by brothers big and small, that really gets under my craw. I'm not a big fan of non-income-based taxes like property taxes either, which basically force one to sell their home even if it's been paid for in it's entirety, if one's income suffers a dramatic fall. Listen to the old fart complaining... I think the latest episode of This American Life captured the whole tax debate fairly well. It's not that Americans won't pay higher taxes for services, but that they won't pay taxes to the mismanaging government officials who are spending their taxes so badly. (edit: as a resident of Illinois, I feel for this mindset.)
A famous case of eminent domain happened right down the street from my office. The people fought, and won! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwood,_Ohio_v._Horney
They won it because it's a blatantly wrong way to enact the legal principal. That doesn't mean that it won't be attempted. Part of what i do for a living involves dealing with corrupt local governments and land use. If everyone knew what actually happens down at the local building and planning departments there'd definately be a taxpayer revolt. The bigger the city, the bigger the bribes and stakes. People got so angry with the walstreet bailouts, this bailout shit with WS is nothing compared to the ongoing bailout of fiscally irresponsible public agencies. It stands to logic that the agencies that are squandering tax dollars have calculated the breaking point of the buttfuckees that supply them their funding. (Refer back to post #3) Oh yeah, we pay for the think tank that adds up all the data on the public pulse too. http://www.dhs.gov/xnews/releases/press_release_0394.shtm
It's been used in the St. Louis viewing area, and it passed because there were no such vague wordings to help the defendants out. A bill to change this had every legislator's support, yet mysteriously did not come to a vote. Those guys just lucked out. Momentarily. All the legislators have to do is change the wording in some new bill so it get's by a judge, then the whole thing will start over again.
We're chumps: Faux news, I know, but the numbers a screwing us: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/03/02/government-employees-true-1-percent/
