Noones talking about CISPA? WTF is wrong with you ppl? (youknowthedrill)

essentially, its the end of the internet within a few days.. too late to do any major protesting to make a difference.

[video=youtube;sllDt-jlUvs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sllDt-jlUvs[/video]


IN B4 ANONYMOUS HAS BEEN A LONG STANDING GOVERNMENT CONTRACTED "CYBERTERRORIST GANG". i dont give a fuk what you all think, i seriously believe anonymous was a fucking hoax, another ploy by big corp/gov/nsa/fbi/riaa/mpaa/etc etc to wreak false havoc in order to push this "anti terrorist" laws onto us.


the gov/secret orgs seem to pull this same stunt over and over again.
create a fake catastrophe, and solve the problem along with reducing more human "freedoms", rights, privileges, etc.

I disagree with the conspiracy, but agree with the perceived effects. Rather than say the Gov't is creating the anonymous attacks, rather say the media is overhyping the anonymous attacks, and giving legislators something public to rail against while taking corporate money in back rooms...

I'm tired of drawing attention to this crap. It's your turn torx.
I'll just draw attention to my sig.
Look at cell phone use: http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2012/04/cell-providers-selling-your-data-to-police.html
All this shit has been happening all along, but you guys still want to play with your toys.

Well, us simpletons won't listen but at least you've been able to leverage your wisdom and insight to... errr... condescend a bunch of people on an internet forum! :smoke:

funny?
first: How come someone of your inteligence level isn't right on top of this kind of thing?
second: Why the personal attacks rather than even a smidgeon of concern about something that is going to affect you more than me?
third: I happen to care about those " bunch of people on an internet forum".

damn. tweak is letting me down.

i dont wanna hear any complaints when the shit passes and we're all forced into net ids, and your emails being monitored thoroughly....
i dont wanna hear a DAMN thing from anyone.

Torx, they already are. The laws the mucky-mucks are attempting to pass are just to legalize/legitimize what is already being done.
Nobody seems to care except a few. That's why I got shit for answering the question in the thread title.
People are sufficiently distracted and/or ignorant for these kinds of laws to start passing.

I've never questioned your motives or the validity of your concerns. What most folks recoil from around here in your condescending attitude and, as Smersh once put it, "signal to noise ratio". And not to be an asshole, it's just difficult to take seriously criticism or advice from someone who's been announcing the end of the world... for over a decade... from Ted Kaczynski's shed. Just don't talk down to people and they won't talk down to you.

I don't claim anything that isn't a headline. such as: http://www.techinvestornews.com/Tec...rnment-snooping-a-destruction-of-human-rights
is everyone writing these articles also paranoid/delusional?
It's not my intent to "talk down" to anyone. Mostly, my intention is to offer up content for discussion. I do not, log in with the goal of finding someone to talk down to or make fun of.
If anything, I try too hard to word things to provoke thought and discussion.
Anyone ever notice that my "noise" ratio goes up with the advent of denial and razzings from a few members? The more flack I feel, the more I believe I need to justify
my stance with links and proof that I'm not the only one seeing what it is I see.
Besides, the "end of the world" has not neccessarily been my theme. My bitch has been more along the lines of: corporate greed, over reaching government, wasted tax dollars, and human folly, including, but not limited to: apathy, ignorance, lawlessness, blindness and selfishness.

No one is talking about CISPA on these boards because it would be like preaching to the choir. Obviously none of us want this to go into effect.

Torx if you're trying to invoke some real conversation on the topic then you're going about it all wrong. Get your thoughts together and form them in coherent sentences with valid arguments and points backed up with fact. I get tired of arguing against speculative conspiracy bullshit. If this issue is such a big deal to you and you really want us to talk about it then put some effort into the post.

I know what you mean. I omited a few sentences too.

It's not that we don't care, but just that we're helpless against the machine. Organizations with big bucks have a vested interest in seeing this pass, and they have the funds to pay sub-organizations of people, who get paid to do nothing other than spend the rest of their working days setting up conditions to get this stuff passed. Even if we stop one SOPA and PIPA, in the end, it will all get passed, silently attached to some bill as a rider in bits and pieces. They have time, money, and a narrow focus on their issue that will never die. We have entire lives to live, and will not pay attention to every single thing happening in Washington, don't have money to regularly smooze with our congresscreatures, and are not getting paid to focus on these issues.

So we ignore it? We lay down and surrender? Or do we draw as much attention to it and the way things really work hoping some people will see the elephant in the china shop?
Apathy is not the sollution any more than settling for a life lived in fear of loss. What exactly is it going to take? just curious.

I participated in that thread.
Proactive? WTH you talking about?!
How many pages of proposed legislation contained in any of the links to Thomas documents that I posted did you read and act on?
Links like these that I stopped posting because of lack of interest:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:h.r.03261:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:h.r.03523:


http://www.senate.gov/ and/or http://www.house.gov/

Generally, it takes moments of high stress on a Society to change it. Think of events like the food shortages that sparked the French Revolution, or the Great Depression following the "Gilded age" of the 1920s, which brought in the "New Deal" or the current recession that sparked the Arab Spring.

There was a chance for similar change here in the US, but it got bogged down, and vested interests had time to regroup and regain control of the legislative process. We can pay as much attention as we want, but this stuff will still eventually get slipped by us. To truly keep an effective lid on this stuff, would require 24/7 monitoring of Congress' doings, and constant contact with Congress, which only someone being paid to do just that CAN do, without starving to death. The only way of truly actually stopping this, is to BREAK the vested interests, and stop the cash-flow that powers their unrelenting assault. This can be done only when the whole system is under stress, such as during the financial meltdown, which point is now past.

Right now, all that can be done is fighting a rear-guard action, to slow down the assault, and blunt the sharpest edges, wherever possible, and wait for the next stress event. With Romney and the Republicans in control, repealing regulations, reducing budgets, and generally letting free-enterprise run amok, I predict another bubble/burst event sooner rather than later!

A voter revolution would help. What is that going to take? I agree with what you wrote about the dangers of the republican plan for America. But, what I'm inclined to believe, is that nobody will do anything regardless who is in the majority. It'll take time to see what happens, but I really don't see enough inclination to do anyhting until the benefits of the 2nd ammendment come to bear. Either way, it doesn't look like my idea of a good time. This is why I've stood down from the whole mess. I'm semi off radar, self sufficient and wouldn't change it right now. Even though being cash poor is part of everyday life, I'll do just fine. I'll continue to be law abiding and minding my own business and sit back and watch the script unfold. For being able to do that, I feel really fortunate. I'll gladly trade in materialism with all it's bobbles and toys along with capitalism and it's tendency to be a carrot on a stick for my seat on the sidelines.

wiskas those first two links don't link to any articles or papers for me just fyi.

Whoa! you're right................sorry about that.
Here's the Thomas link. http://thomas.loc.gov/home/thomas.php
Right side under weekly top five: HR3261 (SOPA) and HR3523 (CISPA).
I tried to post up the GPO PDF complete texts of these house resolutions but they both kept locking up my browser
or deny me access to the bill summary. Anyone not using IE8 see if they have better luck?
Every time I link to the library of congress, there are links 1/3 the way down on the left side to the house and the senate where
the form of proactivity that shmersh spoke of takes place.

Or that there are only a few on this board that would understand the full text of the bills.

When I was entertaining the idea of going to law school 2 years ago and taking some political science and pre-law courses I had to read a bunch of stuff like this. It hurts my brain just thinking about the basic homework assignments in my Congressional Law class.

I guess that's one advantage of not working full time. Other than providing for a family, I fail to understand what could be more important than paying attention to the people we constantly are require to write blank checks to. Must be a generational gap. More like some members of my generation are out to ass rape your generation. If I were young, I'd keep an eye on those bastards :wink:. But...............it's not my world being shaped here.
Therefore, I'm standing down on this one, it's really none of my business. (to answer the question in the thread title)

Young people don't vote... It's just a sad truth. I have plenty of friends who still refuse to vote because they don't think it will matter. It boils my blood.