So at work today on my lunch I was reading an article on cnn and the ups driver stops by and sees a pic of obama on my screen and says, "You aren't voting for him are you?" I asked "why?" He said, "You know why!" "Why because he is black?" "No because he is muslim!", "Not that I have anything against muslims but come on, osama is a muslim and he said he would bring down the US from with in" I tried correcting him but he said because his dad (obama) is a muslim he is a muslim. Do people really think like this? I almost wished he said he wouldn't vote for him because he is black!
unfortunately, there are a LOT of uninformed/uneducated Americans out there...but it's pretty much how it always has been. The "best" presidential candidate is rarely voted in.
I'm voting "against" him because... a) he wants nationalized/socialist healthcare b) has a very vaguely defined economical policy (which is one of McCain's few shining points) c) he (and hilary as well) are pursuing a (stupid) isolationist policy d) his fucking website claims that he has known about the subprime crisis for a while (and proceeds to (unintentionally) imply that he does not know WTF it is by proposing irrelevant solutions) e) his whole campaign seems to be based on idealism; "we can make changes" - you and every other politician f) is super-pro-social-security-YAY! - privatize that shit and save whats left of it... g) most liberal senator of '07 per the economist (a left-leaning publication if at all) but yeah, your delivery dude is kind of crazy though....
I'm sorry but I have to disagree on this one. YouTube - McCain doesn't know anything about the economy or Iraq If he doesn't know much about the economy how will he know who to appoint to handle that kind of stuff? I'll give you your point on healthcare and social security but I disagree with the other points.
The only thing McCain has said is that spending is out of control, ripped straight from RP. He knows shit about the economy.
Especially to think the prez has any power to do anything about the economic status of this country. Especially to think the prez has any power to do anything that a candidate "promisses" in the first place. Especially to believe anything anyone running for any office says....period. [/jaded] (PS: the prez is only the whipping boy)
To answer the original question, yes, that kind of ignorance is what EVERYONE is up against. It can work in ones favor or against it though.
The implication is that people who don't vote Democrat are ignorant. Just like that bogus graphic that circulated after Kerry lost that showed all of the red states had low IQ averages. It's a pretty arrogant, and false, point of view. But back to the Muslim thing. Even though he isn't a practicing Muslim, his father is. Given that we're currently in an ideological battle with radical Muslims doesn't that put him in a pretty titanic case of conflicting interests? EDIT: It would be like electing a president with a Russian father during the Cold War. No way in hell it would have happened, and for good reason.
I agree. You can't call all Democrats or all Republicans ignorant simply because you disagree with their ideologies. Radical Muslim != Muslim Dad's beliefs != Son's beliefs I don't follow this. My parents are devout Catholics and I don't give a SHIT about Catholicism. It's not like Obama would be out to kill his own father. Edit: and didn't his father die 30 years ago?
It's not that he shares his father's beliefs per se. It just puts a very CLOSE human face on a group of people that the president is going to have to order strikes against. It's a conflict of interest, just as the Russian example would have been.
Don't forget, he wants to ban ALL semi-automatics and give all illegal citizens drivers licenses. I don't like any of them to begin with though.
People who say this are not ignorant they know exactly what they are saying and doing. They can't say publicly "I won't vote for him because he's Black" but they can say "I won't vote for him because he's Muslim". Yes some people are ignorant and feel this way but most know better. PC is still alive. If a White person comes out and says "I won't vote for him because he's Black" they will be demonized by the media and public.
This is a quote from Obama: It seems to me that he was raised pretty similar to the way you think about religion, MSP. Snopes also says his parents divorced when he was 2, so I don't really think that in 2 years of life his father influenced him on religious beliefs. This brings me back to the point that people are influenced by fucking stupid trivial shit that doesn't matter AT ALL.
lmao (literally; I almost fell out of my chair) God that video makes him look like a raging dipshit. I love the first "freeze frame" where he has his mouth open. Good find just for comedy's sake On his response to the fed lowering the rates: I actually think that was good. If he had a major opinion on that, then we wouldn't need a chairman of the fed (actually I don't think we need the fucking fed, but who am I?) And he said he doesn't know as much as he should, at least given my interpretation. His wanting to cut the corporate tax plus push R&D is what I was specifically referring to. I don't think there needs to be much of an economic policy at all, let the market sort itself out. The stuff I've seen/read just has Obama speaking in broad generalities. They don't need to do a ton, but I really like McCain's few ideas on that. ...wait, what? Ron Paul is the first one to have realized this?!?!?! rayer:
I'm sorry msp but that logic baffles me. I could understand maybe, maybe, if he was extremely close to his father and studied with his father but the fact is obamas father and mother separated when he was two. Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia But lets ignore this, lets say obama is a muslim, what is he going to do? It's not like he's going to start offering arms to the terrorist (and if he did it would be no different than what past presidents have done). Are you afraid that if he gets elected he will fill the white house with muslims and perhaps osama bin laden will be the head of state? Do you think that if we are attacked again that he might hesitate to strike back because they are his brethren? Or are you worried that he might start infusing muslim religion into american life, like changing, "In God We Trust" to, "In Allah We Trust"?
Mccain seems as unclear as anybody on the economy. Q: Are Americans better off than they were eight years ago? A: You could argue that Americans overall are better off, because we have had a pretty good prosperous time, with low unemployment and low inflation and a lot of good things have happened. A lot of jobs have been created. But let's have some straight talk. Things are tough right now. Americans are uncertain about this housing crisis. Americans are uncertain about the economy, as we see the stock market bounce up and down. But I think what we're trying to do to fix this economy is important. We've got to address the subprime housing problem. We need to make the Bush tax cuts permanent, which I voted for twice to do so. I think we need to eliminate the alternate minimum tax. A: I think we are better off overall if you look at the entire eight-year period, when you look at the millions of jobs that have been created, the improvement in the economy, etc. wtf is he blathering about? Straight talk my ass. This is a typical non answer. At the time he gave this statement UI was higher than at any point in 2000...
I think that's a valid reason not to vote for some one. That video was horrible but it was the first one I found that you hear him say he doesn't know what he is talking about. As far as cutting interest rates go, it's not black and white, if cutting interest rates is all that has to be done to get this economy going then it would have been done already but instead it's a balance, too much cutting and inflation sky rockets. Inflation is not good, especially when the average income has not been rising at the same rate.
Hahahahaha, this is funny because this is EXACTLY what is going on between Saudi Arabia right fucking now. we are their bitch and they can do whatever the fuck they want without retaliation.
Planned inflation is fine. Our economy actually slightly encourages it "by design". Its the unplanned inflation, hyperinflation and stagflation that kills us (yes, they all overlap somewhat)
THE GOLD STANDARD WILL SAVE US ALL, IT WILL ALSO CURE WORLD HUNGER AND HERPES. I'm surpized people haven't started saying "vote for me and i'll make it rain money!"
I guess I have a unique perspective on the father issue, as I'm married to an orphan. I can tell you that before she had met either of her parents they were still VERY important to her. Would it impact or influence Obama's decisions as president? Who knows. But nobody has addressed the example of a president being elected with a Russian father during the cold war. Could it have happened? Not bloody likely.
EDIT: Should have quoted I guess, the post is gone now! I personally don't have a problem with Obama, I'm just saying that his name, race, and father's religious affiliation will make a difference. I find it pretty amusing how naive some of you tend to be about bigotry and first impressions. We're talking about a black man named OBAMA in the post 9-11 world. I'll give you another hypothetical situation and you tell me how likely the person would be elected president of the United States: A man of German ancestry named Hitler running for president in 1948. Hell, someone running for president with ANY German sounding name. Chances of being elected? Zero. He could be the greatest guy on Earth, the most patriotic man in America, wouldn't matter. The logic holds water just fine, you're just blinded.
