What will happen when the codes get transfered, keys get turned, and the buttons get pressed? NOT a discussion about tinfoil, just wondering what anyone else thinks it would be like during and after. AusSurvivalist - EMP Protection Peak Oil: Life After the Oil Crash I know that nobody wants to think about shit like this and would rather sweep it under the carpet or just be in denial of the possibility....."aw, it'll never happen, you're just paranoid, people aren't that crazy"...yeah right! Has anyone been reading the headlines lately? Global shortage of metals looming Rising rice prices spark concerns - World business - MSNBC.com North Korea tests short-range missiles - MSNBC Wire Services - MSNBC.com Parched China lures foreign water investors | Reuters Troops hunt 'war criminal' - Balkans - MSNBC.com This all goes beyond politics, beyond religeon, beyond every controversial topic ever posted. http://www.tweak3d.net/forums/off-topic/bushs-war-34124 http://www.tweak3d.net/forums/off-topic/ive-had-religous-wacko-fuck-bags-34116 http://www.tweak3d.net/forums/off-topic/disabled-pregant-woman-used-target-practice-34006 http://www.tweak3d.net/forums/off-topic/how-ironic-black-man-has-destroyed-obama-33805 When/if it happens, there sure as hell won't be any warning, the lights will just go out, the TV will just go off and your computer will just downpower. Then.....what you gonna do? Buy alot of tinfoil my friends (good for making faraday boxes). Not trying to bring you down or anything, just reminding that this shitty threat is still alive and well.
the one thing im worried about is the looming 'supposed' chinese vs usa internet war. The whole chinese versus usa everything really.
Yes, and do you think we'll share recourses with them and visa-versa? of all the links i posted, this was the biggest eye opener: Peak Oil: Life After the Oil Crash. People want to believe that I'm just building tinfoil hats for no reason at all, but take a look at the page. Most don't even believe that this kind of info (supported) is even worth thier time to read. another thing to concider, is if the USA is willing to spend as much as we are and make war to the point we have in order to bring stability to the mid east, what are we willing to do when it gets down to our survival or thier survival? You don't think we'd have a problem launching first? We have already proven that we will use pre-emptive strikes and justify them to ourselves. Anyhow, this isn't really intended to be a political thread, I was simply wondering what anyone believes it'll be like when the "lights go out". There's alot of study on tactics and EMP effects, as well as published targets. Picture the day in your minds and offer up what you see.
On a loosely related note, I'm thinking of buying a gun after having been to Vegas and shooting some sweet ass guns that you can't even find in Canada, let alone fire. (Thompson, grease gun, mp5, DE.50).... Having never shot a gun I thought it was pretty cool anyways. But, to answer the question at hand. I've only thought about it in passively. Figuring, rather lazily, if it's going to happen there's not a whole lot I can do about it. If I were to take a serious look at things my thought process would go something like this: Is life/nature currently out of balance? Yes. Will it eventually snap back to normal, indiscriminately destroying people and places? Probably. Do I want to live in preparation? I don't know.
I've got plans and a few weeks of provisions. Plus the ammunition. When the shit hits the fan those with guns are going to have access to more resources, plain and simple.
this makes me wanna see that new movie "doomsday" its gonna be like that BAD alternate reality of 1985 (BTTF reference) sometimes i wonder if the rising gas prices is a ploy TO push us into smaller economical means of transportation.. sometimes i wonder if its a good thing!
That link is hard to take serious after you read the first line: I understand the idea of peak oil but I feel they simplify the matter way to much. Just because we have a point where the global production of oil was at it's highest too date(2005) that dosen't mean it will never go higher and it dosen't mean that 30 years after the point of "peak oil" the production will match 30 years before. I see this assumption everytime I read about peak oil but they never really explain why they make this assumption. Most energy companies are changing their mentalities by not producing their resources as quickly as possible and making fields last longer. This is what is driving up the price. They want to keep making money, so why sell something today for $110 a barrel when they might be able to sell it in 10 years for $250? With the price of oil outpacing inflation it is a solid strategy if you can keep your company in the black until then. There is also huge areas of Russia that have not been explored for hydrocarbons as well as North Sea reserves that have not been produced because countries like Norway that nationalized their oil industry and have been focusing on perfecting extraction technologies and waiting for the price to get high so they can make the most money possible off their resource. The way I see the future of energy playing out is every year we ease our dependancy on fossil fuels with renewable energy production systems. The price of oil is going to keep rising and make these alternative energies more and more appealing. In this way one energy source replaces another. Also as the price of oil increases huge hydrocarbon reserves that were deamed uneconomical at $40 a barrel when they were discovered are now going to be recoverable when the price is high enough. Hell, there is more energy in northern Alberta and Saskatchewan than in the entire middle east. The problem in the past has been that a) it is very dirty to produce and b) it is very expensive to produce. It has been sitting there for years and no one wanted to touch it but now the oil industry is commiting close to $20 billion a year to this area. We are NOT running out of oil. We are running out of oil that is economical to produce at 1980 prices when the idea of peak oil was introduced.
But what if it does?, Even without war, the finite amount of resources available and alot more people demanding thier cut of the pie, the easy days of the past may just be over. The rich will not suffer like the middle class. Civilization as we know it includes cheap fuel, cheap eats and cheap(relatively) homes. That is a thing of the past. We will soon see either war or $6/gal. fuel, huge increases in grocery bills and buying a home will be out of reach for most. Then, everything will get worse. unless China, India and other up and coming nations politely agree to sidestep the comforts and success that we knew. you really think that's going to happen? Has anyone seen the movie: "The Day After"? That Is what i picture happening to the midwest and the metopolitan areas of the west coast. relatively speaking, Im situated in a safe zone. Any fallout will blow right over the geographically isolated region I live in, The power will go, as the hydro project that powers this area is a known nuke target. The closest target to me is the Air Base in Klamath Falls (Kingsley Field) I look for the power to go out, air raid sirens and civil defense warnings via PA vehicles and police cruisers. The flash of the K Falls blast will be visible if a nightime detonation occures. National guardsmen will be called to duty immediately and marshall law will be instituted very quickly. Looters will be rioting. Hopefully the NG will act quickly and keep homicies at a minimum. soon after the first attack, refugees will be swarming to this area. That's when the NG will be overwhealmed and the private stocks of amo will be used. Does anyone realize if they live near a target or not? SurvivalRing > Potential US Nuclear Target List with Maps YouTube - Termonuclear/Nuclear Bomb Compilation !
Mista I live inbetween Washington, DC and Norfolk, VA so I'm pretty much dead as a door nail if we ever get nuked. Saying that, I don't think it will ever come to global thermonuclear war, because I can't die.
I have close to a two year food supply, so I'll be okay until I get sick of wheat and MREs. I guess then I will start eating my neighbors.
This is definitely a subject I've been thinking about a lot recently. All I know is that I'm just waiting for it to happen. There will be a widespread panic and us that are "in the know" will be sitting back saying "told ya so."
I don't know, I was just kinda trying to pick people's brains as to what they thought the day would be like. I grew up with the threat, the "duck and cover drills" at school and alot of nuclear test news. I've grown up expecting it. I do have to tell you now, I feel more anxiety over the current state of affairs as I learned a better understanding of how things work. We are closer and getting even closer yet to the day feared most in the 50's, 60's and 70's. MSP has his shit together, Joker does too. I'm working on it. if the power goes out, and it will as the power plants (hydro) on the Columbia River as well as all the river crossings, are stage two targets and perhaps may be primary. I have a two weeks supply of food stash, and everything needed to create a generator that puts out 15 volt/1amp power for charging batteries. I need a few more automitive batteries and I'll be set. Did anyone even read the Ausie's article on the effects of EMP?
Personally made by mistawiskas for the inhabitants of T3D & St. IDB.... and all other interested partys. YouTube - Dynamo
i believe that what you speak of is inevitable. does anyone actually believe that sanity will prevail? We're being "eased" into this quagmire. i say 'eased", because if it were alowed to hit all at once, we'd scream bloody murder! much the same pricipal as putting a frog in hot water, it's immediately jump out. if it were put in water at a tolerable temperature andf the heat was turned up gradually? That frog would become soup and it'd not jump out at all. why are we not heading towards the energy sources that are a better alternetive to burning fossile fuels? because, the powers that be want to wring every last dollar out of it they can. Energy=power. to get the "power" out of energy, it needs to be in a form that is easily "metered" Take a look at the reality folks. we're nothing more than the people were under archaic rule. we're peasants, slaves to a system that is in place to make us need the energy that is in a form that can be sold to us, which, in turn, keeps us in a cycle of "work to purchase and purchase to work. don't get me wrong, it's a brilliant scheme, one that works really well for the ones collecting the revenue from the sales of the form of energy that keeps us bound to it. i don't know about anyone else, but when i'm drowning, I want to drop the rock i've been carrying to aid in my survival. china isn't about to forgo the kind of success we've enjoyed. they are hungry for the things you and i have taken for granted and are actively, rappidly pursueing it. All our competition for the limitted resources available are nuclear capable.
With a billion people, there'd be quite a battle if China decided to go Third Reich and start to take more land for living space. Though in some documents that were supposedly from within the Chinese government, they admit that a head on confrontation with the US military would be like throwing an egg at a rock. I guess in their assessment they failed to account for the spineless and/or corrupt US leaders and officials who handcuff our troops and prosecute them for war crimes based on hoaxes.
But watch for news of any sort of allignment with Russia, Korea, Indonesia, etc. There are those that'd benefit from China coming out on top. personally, i think it'd be OK to get the USA knocked off it's political high-horse and thus creating a more leveled playing field. That would never happen though. It would definately come down to swapping nukes IMO. Either that, or making sure Iran or the likes, has the hardware to do the dirty work for them.
More level playing field? Like us getting our industry back from China or the lopsided trade imbalance China holds against us? If you're speaking militarily, then I can see no reason on the entire planet of earth why I'd want China to have the upper hand or be balanced against us.
Mistawiskas, good job on the videos. It's always cool seing neat electrical stuff like the motors in the first video used to general electrical power. It's also cool to actually see and hear another tweak3d member, since most of the time we just see avatars and usually associate them with the person posting.
wiskas: when all hell breaks loose, can i round up my army guys and bring em to live with you in the wild? i'll make sure to bring plenty of vodka!
