beginnings of tiered interwebs?

Discussion in 'OT Graveyard' started by tex, Aug 23, 2007.

  1. tex jive turkey

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  2. super_Chris Tactical bacon

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    They'll start with bit torrent, then Kazaa, then Gnutella, and so on. Then before destroying FTP, Youtube, and other 100% legitimate services they'll come out with "Unlimited" or something service. That is, they'll do it if they have balls, and don't give two shits about their customers.
  3. MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    Just vote with your money people. My DSL doesn't limit me at all and as far as I know has no plans to. The download speeds aren't as great, but plenty for me.
  4. James K Administrator

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    Ugh I use TW and when this becomes a problem I guess I'll switch back to DSL or maybe FiOS if it's available.
  5. Torx Indigenous Nudist

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    yea, i wont hesitate to switch.
    i havent experienced any issues yet.. YET.
  6. gB dAvId x thats what she said

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    you spelt tiered wrong
  7. mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    I already switched 7megs max....and it's much cheaper than cable 5 megs max.
  8. Electric_Head New Member

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    If my ISP starts throttling different protocols or websites, I'm going to find another ISP, simple as that.

    If all ISPs pick up on this, well I dunno, I'll buy a business line and sell access to my wireless un-throttled access point maybe.
  9. MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    It's the same as every other distribution channel - the media giants want to control it and everything we hear and see. Fuck that!
  10. Torx Indigenous Nudist

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    its just kinda hard to swallow a future where only certain parts of the internet will be available to certain isp customers..
    a life where exclusive websites like youtube and digg are only accessible with at&t
    a life where exclusive websites like google and myspace for comcast.
    sitting back and thinking about it, it can very much come true... then there will be a revolution of hackers that free us from the lock-in. Similar to that country with censored internet, china?, or somewhere?
    instead of us controlling what we want to see on the "new-net", it'll be controlling us and controlling what we view.
    a life where freed information is no longer "free"
    im getting depressed thinking about it.. then there will be a time where a new underground form of information will be accessible it wont last long before the goberment takes it over, then we'll be shoveled and force fed information yet again in a worldly control of the people.
  11. Undertaker989 New Member

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    That is why Net Neutrality is a must. The lobbying groups with the pull will have another channel of influence in your life.
  12. Sparky mouseketeer

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    Torx, sounds like you've watched the Matrix one too many times. :)
  13. ivanolo Junior Member

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    I'm basically fucked. I currently have cable through InsightBB, a subsidiary of Comcast. If I want to switch, it'll have to be AT&T. It sucks that the interests of corporations are above those of the people.
  14. Wedge_ Rogue One

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    Things are pretty bad in the UK just now. Most ISPs now offer up to 8mbit ADSL (the max speed depends on line quality and length), but virtually all of them have some form of capping or throttling or "fair usage policy", whether they admit to it or not. At the moment I'm using BT, and they blatantly throttle all Bittorrent traffic during "peak hours", which seems to mean roughly 2pm-12pm most days. I have an 8mbit connection, and get 60K/s maximum when using Bittorrent during these times, yet BT still refuse to confirm that any throttling is going on! Even worse, they throttle HTTP downloads in the same way, at least on port 80. FTP is unaffected so far, but I don't know how long that'll last. I'll be interested to see what happens next year when they start rolling out their new "21st Century Network" and offering ADSL2.
  15. Electric_Head New Member

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    Call them an complain that you aren't getting the advertised speed. That is what we, as a consumer, have to do.

    Are companies really allowed to do this? Isn't it false advertising if they say its a 8mbit line but throttle you at 1mbit? Fair usage my ass. I'm paying for the bandwidth. Or does that arguement only work for business class lines?
  16. superman ?

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    I thought Comcast recently denied throttling torrent speeds.
  17. Wedge_ Rogue One

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    Been there done that. BT aren't a very popular company, they get complaints about this all the time and nothing changes.

    I certainly haven't seen much regulation on this sort of advertising. Occasionally some ISP gets caught adverstising something as unlimited when it isn't, but the punishment is usually a polite letter or something. The connection I have is advertised as "unlimited", ie no monthly download cap, but has one of these wonderful fair usage policies:
    Notice how they make no explicit mention of throttling HTTP downloads in addition to P2P.

    Literally every other UK ISP I can find has something similar, whether it's an explicit monthly bandwidth cap and paying per extra GB, or vague mentions of limiting the "very very very few excessive users" and so on. A couple of years ago you could get an unlimited connection that was was actually unlimited, but that was before 8mbit connections were widely available, it was usually 2mbit max. That's why I'm interested in what's going to happen when everyone starts getting 24mbit ADSL2, with the maximum speeds being so much higher they'll presumably have to change their policies. Either that or they'll finally get forced to provide a decent service, they hopefully can't get away with throttling a 24mbit connection to 0.5mbit for 12 hours a day.
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    Thanks for clearing that up a bit. Looks like hardcore users will need to pay up for a business class line.

    What do they consider "file sharing software" I wonder. That is a very broad category that can include pretty much any piece of software that sends data accross a network. I mean, taking that category to the extreme, our OSs have filesharing capabilities built in, so that could mean anyone using a modern day OS fits into the category. I hate these kinda open ended policies. I would rather them give me a monthly quota instead of putting a strangle hold on my connection during the times I'm most likely to use it.
  19. GRP oh snap

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    You spelt "spelled" wrong.
  20. ivanolo Junior Member

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    I had the same problem a few weeks ago. Insight advertises 10Mbps, but I noticed I was getting 5 instead, so I called to complain about not getting the speed I was paying for. The CSR told me the problem was on my end. Right... I told the guy that I hadn't touched anything, that the connection had gone from 10 to 5Mbps overnight. In the end, after being put on hold for the longest time (possibly to encourage me to hang up), I was told that a technician would be sent to check what was going on (because the problem was on my end, of course). Magically, the connection "fixed itself" right after I got off the phone w/ him. Bunch of BS, I tell you!
  21. jake Vagabond

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    lol
  22. Torx Indigenous Nudist

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    i shoulda knocked on wood or some shit, my internets and cable went out today.
    wont be fixed or looked at until TUESDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fuckin comcrap

    thank god i got internet sharing setup with my ppc phone to my pc.
  23. mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    It's all a big scam, the comanies that 'fair use' policy you, are the ones that
    would rather slice the bandwidth pie into smaller peices than put up the bux to upgrade their equipment.