You Think Politics Suck Today? Wait Until Tomorrow

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  1. ninefivezero

    ninefivezero infinite resolution

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    So it's not getting huge amounts of press, but it should, because this is HUGE.

    In short, the Supreme Court has ruled to remove limits from corporate campaign spending.

    Essentially what this means is that corporations and unions will be able to spend as much as they want on political ads, allowing the wealthiest and most powerful interest groups in the world, through advertising, to define American politics, put as much money into candidates who will support their corporate agenda, and as much money as they want into trashing any opposed to it.

    The conservative majority of the Supreme Court, and the right wing who will benefit from increased corporate money are claiming this is a victory for "free speech" and on the surface it may seem that way, but tell me honestly, do you really think free speech, and in particular, the voice of the average citizen, your voice, will be better served by giving more power to the most powerful and wealthy corporations?

    You think there is too much special interest money in politics today? Just wait.

    Lots of links and quotes, but at least read CNN and Stevens dissent.

    Here are key quotes from the dissenting opinion on the court:

    And even some on the right understand this is totally fucked:

  2. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    Yeah, I read this earlier and just sighed. These fuckers are seemingly unstoppable, I'm so disenchanted and hopeless.
  3. ninefivezero

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    Yah, that's exactly what I said :roll:

    Seriously, explain to me how this is GOOD for democracy.
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    Goofus Maximus Too old to be this dumb!

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  5. ivanolo

    ivanolo Guest

    It's not like the media doesn't do that already (remember death panels?). This just means corporations can now use unlimited amounts of money to push more lies like these. Sweet!

    How's that saying go? "We have have the best democracy money can buy." Indeed.
  6. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    FANTASTIC!


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  7. Commissar Smersh

    Commissar Smersh 2020 Staff Member

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    This isn't really going to change much other that contributions will be done in the open rather than being shuffled through PACs.
  8. ninefivezero

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    Two different things.

    This isn't about campaign contributions, it is about broadcast advertisements.
  9. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    It's bad enough we have to watch (you know what I mean) those damn drug commercials.

    I can just imagine now the kind of crap we will start seeing (like that damn SPCA commercial).
  10. ivanolo

    ivanolo Guest

    "John Smith is a Godless commie sodomite that eats little boys' penises for breakfast. Would you vote for him?"
  11. Torx

    Torx Indigenous Nudist

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    i didnt vote for this.
  12. Jackalope

    Jackalope NNNNEEERRRRDDDSSSSS!!!!!!

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    Corporate speech is protected under the 1st amendment. SCOTUS got this one right.
  13. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    Fucked hard by the third, and let's face it, the most powerful branch of government.
  14. SoulAssassin

    SoulAssassin Car Ramrod

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    This sucks and now we get to see reruns of people we probably won't vote for anyway.
  15. tex

    tex jive turkey

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    I'm with jackoffalope on this one. Doesn't mean i like it, but if its disclosed who is doing it, I don't know that there is real argument about it

    and while you are busy whining about how much this helps conservatives, here is a snippet of your article

    yay, more tire tariffs! and lets not forget how many corporate & lobbyist donations black jesus took during the 2008 campaign. If you think this is going to be some conservative silver bullet you're dillusional


    and on that note I am off to work to meet with a lobbying firm in downtown Austin =p
  16. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    Juball has it right. This shitz been happening, it's only officially legal now and the limits get an okeedoke to stretch.
    I stated earlier this year, that this government doesn't even feel the need to hide the shady shit anymore. It has sufficiently dummied up America. Gotten Americans too busy to really pay attention. Just ask around on the streets about anything that changed, really changed in government during the last two years. Most have no real Idea how much shit we're in or how deep it is. The really bad part, isn't that the guv'nor does as it pleases. It's that people see what's happening and choose to ignore it in favor of maintaining their standard of living. Case in point: I've been pointing this shit out for years and nobody wants to hear it. They'd much rathertake the blue pill. That makes it really easy for the guv to shred the constitution and slant it to benefit the guv'nor (AKA big corporations).

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  17. ninefivezero

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    Because of 107 years of precedent before this ruling, including two earlier Supreme Court rulings on the subject that said otherwise.

    Read the minority dissent, you don't think there is any valid argument there?

    No shit, if you actually read my post, I mentioned that from the start.

    But really, you think unions have more power, money and influence than corporations? Not a chance. Every analysis I've heard so far, people agree this will benefit Republicans to a much greater degree.
  18. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    Where does it say corporations have the same rights as people in the constitution?

    This isn't a left vs right thing or a republican vs democrat issue, this affects all Americans equally.
  19. ninefivezero

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    Interesting analysis, with especially interesting part in bold:

  20. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    I already feel like my government doesn't represent me. If corporations are given more voting power simply because they can campaign and lobby and spend more money doing it then that means I'm not being represented.
    If I'm not being represented then I really shouldn't need to pay federal taxes.
  21. mistawiskas

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    Bingo!....we have a winner;). I'm increasingly feeling the same way. And I am positioned perfectly to do it.
    If we're not being represented in congr3ss then our choices are at risk.
  22. JZL

    JZL Ministry of Whack

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    This idea of corporations voting is scary, because the only limit to how many corporations a single person can create, for the real purpose of being multiple voting proxies, is money.
  23. mistawiskas

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  24. GRP

    GRP oh snap

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    No shit man. Anyone who thinks this is a good idea needs to be thrown out. Fucking disgusting.
  25. mistawiskas

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    It'll get interesting from here on out. The scarey part isn't that big ticket corporations have next to no limits on spending. The reAlly, really scarey part is that too m uch of the population takes what theyt see on TV as the gospel trueth.