Windows 2000 Gaming Review(question)

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  1. u2knetwork

    u2knetwork " Smallville United "

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    Hey guys, i was reading your review of windows2000 and gaming, etc. I have been using windows98se for years, my computer shipped with it. Been gaming just fine, almost perfectly. Now around march 2008 i bought Xp home Edition for 100 dollars( yea kinda dumb when its discontinued :( ) and everything work just fine, from music, internet , speed, etc ) XP home edition is a much better OS in terms of being stable, i mean if a program or game crash, i don't have to hit shut down or restart my computer, so XP is pretty good.

    Now here comes the bad part, my System Specs are in my Sig:

    My system works just fine with Windows98SE. However using XP is a different story, everything work just fine but games. My computer specs was holding me back in gaming. Now with old games, well XP is a crap OS when it comes to old games, i manage to play some new games just fine tho. Like Jericho i got between 20-25fps at 1024x768 shader and texture on highest. Or timeshift at 1024x768 at 20-40. I even played Crysis when i had my 8400GS 512MB PCI card at 1280x1024 low to medium AAX2 and got 20-30fps at times.

    Nevertheless i notice something was holding me back with performance and my computer just couldn't handle XP as for games are concern, but as i said before another issue is with older games, using windows98se they work perfectly, but on XP , they do not.

    So i was thinking about trying out Windows2000, so my only question is the system just as demanding like XP?

    When i say demanding, here are 2 examples:

    QUAKE 4 WINXP/6200 Or 2400HD / any settings = 8-15fps
    QUAKE 4 WIN98SE/6200/AAX2 1280X1024 Very High Settings = 30-75fps

    PREY WINXP/6200/2400HD / Any settings = 14-25fps
    PREY WIN98SE/6200/ MAX OUT WITH AAX2 = 30-67fps

    FAR CRY/XP/6200/HD2400 any settings = 10-25fps
    FAR CRY/WIN98SE/6200/ AAX2, High to Ultra 1280x1024 = 35-100fps

    Every game that i have played and tested out on XP, which work like crap , plays almost perfectly on windows98se. So i am curious , is windows 2000 home professional just as demanding as XP?

    Oh and btw, i am buying a secondary computer soon for the newer games, so no worries, i was just wondering about testing out 2000, but most likely i will keep my wonderful windows98se for my older games and some new ones.
  2. Daveyiv2k1

    Daveyiv2k1 Moderator Staff Member

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    You should be more worried about your 600mhz processor than you would about new operating systems. With that said, XP is a good bit more demanding than win98se. Windows 2000 might be a compromise, but you're still going to be very very limited by your hardware regardless of what OS you are trying to run.
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    u2knetwork " Smallville United "

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    So its really the 600mhz that was holding me back in XP?
    And i guess windows2000 might apply the same, so i guess i will just keep windows98se and this computer for older , old , and some new games and still buy a secondary computer for the newer games. I have no trouble playing games in windows98se tho, seems like my system specs was meant to be use for win9x and not any higher OS.

    Peace and nice windows2000 review :)
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    It's not only the 600mhz holding you back, its that and your ram for sure. But yeah, your best bet would be to leave that one with win98se if you want to, and get some updated hardware for the newer games you are wanting to play.
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    u2knetwork " Smallville United "

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    Yea. I am buying a gateway intel computer soon, i only use gateway/intel products. Going with a Intel Pentium dual core , with a 4670 card and a 8600GT card. I was going to use Vista, but i am not ready to use that OS yet, so i am going to use Xp home edition and make sure i have 2GB or more ram, also the speed on the computer which i am looking at is 2.4ghz. That should be enough to handle XP.

    Peace
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    Daveyiv2k1 Moderator Staff Member

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    not trying to knock gateway or intel or anything, but is there a particular reason you limit yourself to that combo?
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    Can you even buy Pentiums anymore?
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    Well this computer which i am using now, has been working since 2000. Its a gateway Intel Pentium III, so i kinda trust gateway computers and this is the only computer which i have bought my whole life, so gateway/intel i am use too, so i say why not stick with it.

    Yea online stops, compusa, tirgerdirect. But i am buying one at the pawn shop for 75 dollars :mrgreen:
  9. Commissar Smersh

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    Uh, you realize that computers aren't like cars and aren't really fundamentally the same after 8 almost 9 years right?

    What's your budget? There's several options for a decent homebuilt machine that'll do you far better than revamping a nearly decade old system.
  10. hans5849

    hans5849 Serious as a heart attack

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    My brother has a P3 w/ MOBO nailed to the wall in his room. I built the computer originally and used it to download things on.

    Gateways aren't the best anymore, I do admit to having a P3 600mhz back in the day for my first computer it taught me alot about how to repair computers. Actually the proc from it is the one nailed on my broters wall...

    And is that one of the guys from Torchwood in your sig?
  11. gB dAvId x

    gB dAvId x thats what she said

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    Don't get a gatewy, there company is going bankrupt! They have been bought out by MPC i believe...
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    My rig is actually much better then it was when i first bought it, and its going on 2009 and its working just fine. Even my PSU which is only 90watts is working fine. I take it apart and clean it out every year. :)
    Don't have one.

    Revamping a nearly decade old System? I am buying a prebuilt computer, not upgrading the one i am using. The computer i am using now is already upgraded enough. And just so you know, i do not build computers, i buy prebuilt ones. There is nothing wrong with buying a prebuilt computer, millions of people buy them and thats why we have companies who make them, for a reason.
    Well that is just a difference of opinion.
    No, its Brainiac from Smallville :D
    Gateway is not going bankrupt lol.

    Just to let everyone know, i have 2 choices, buy the Intel Pentium Dual core from the pawn shop for 75 dollars or buy a computer elsewhere , either from the gateway website or somewhere else. I am going to buy one very soon tho, but i am buying the video cards first, the Diamond 4670 and a 8600GT PCI.
  13. demonizeZ

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    No offense man. But building a pc is much more efficient then buying one. Specially if you want a gaming rig. The price you will pay for pre-build gaming rig you can build two high end gaming rig in same price. Most of the guys in this forum build there own system. Not to mention its a good learning experience. :mrgreen:
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    Welp, I'm schooled in the economic model of prebuilt computers now.

    lol

    You're right, it's not going bankrupt, it's already there.

    Well uh, rock on with your 10 year old jalopy of a rig or your new Kia of a rig.
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    Phant0m51 From Utah, NOT mormon

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    I used to work for Dell, so if you're going the prebuilt route, I recommend them over gateway. But whatever you do, do NOT buy a Dell XPS, Alienware, Falconwest or any other "high end gaming" computer. They're so overpriced you could get a car for some of their rigs. If you want a gaming rig, build it yourself.

    If you want a cheap internet surfing/word processing with small pieces of gaming here or there, then the low-end budget computers from Dell or any other manufacturer (Sony, HP, Gateway, etc.) will suffice. Just don't expect "awesome" graphics compared to a computer built specifically for gaming.

    *edit* I don't want to nitpick or fight over this, but the whole reason prebuilt computers exist is because people like warranties, and they like things to "just work." They are NOT the best computers, but they are semi-reliable and if you have a decent warranty with the product you don't have to diagnose and fix things yourself. Not everybody is a computer tech. Not everybody can fix their computers. Hell, I had to set up 2 outlook accounts this week for some friends. Took me all of 2 minutes, and they literally spent several hours trying to do it.
  16. SoulAssassin

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    lolz
  17. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    I've got a Gateway laptop (P-171S FX) and love it. Would I buy another? Sure, as long as it was the best bang for the buck as this one was and got good reviews.

    That said, you're LONG over due for an upgrade. Not sure if you have the cash available, but right now would be a great time to do so. Check out this Dell deal on DealCatcher.com - $329, and it would absolutely crush what you're using now.

    The Dell Online Store: Build Your System

    Coupon Search Results for 'Dell'
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    I disagree, because the computer which i am using now which i bought in 2000, as been working just fine and its a gaming rig, because i play my older games without trouble and i can playing games up until 2008 of this year, just a few of them , but they work just fine also.

    Well despite what is going on with gateway, who cares you know. I can still buy gateway computers, which i am going to do with my secondary computer, but a gateway / Intel Computer.

    Good enough for me. Now of course i add stuff to my computer, thats obvious. But buying pre-built, well just fine enough for me.

    No i'm not. Because when i do buy my secondary computer, that computer is only meant for new games and new apps, / Vista 32bit etc. However, i am still going to use my main computer.

    I only buy gateway/Intel Products. Not buying a dell. Also you said Crush what i am using? I am not aiming to get the best rig around so i can play games at 60fps. I mean i am not obsessed with graphics, i played Crysis on my rig a while ago at 20-30fps at 1280x1024 AAX2, low to medium, thats perfect to me and its playable.

    Now when i get my new rig, the secondary one if i can play Crysis or any other new game at 30-50fps, thats good enough for me. :)
  19. SoulAssassin

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    BS. I doubt Crysis will even attempt to start with that cpu.
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    I guess our definition of gaming rig is very different. I consider system that can play any game above 50 FPS a good gaming system.

    I sure am very curious to see how you ran crysis on 600MHz proc. with 20ish FPS. Even Mid level gaming comp lags on crysis on certain parts. Considering your 600MHz proc with crysis, the game will lag soo much that you be seeing bullets in slow motion. Not to mention the load time alone be over few minutes, specially in Quake 4.
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    You're going to keep a 10+ year old turd running once you have a new machine sitting right next to it, for what purpose? The new machine is going to have more processing punch in standby than what you've got. And even though I've got a Gateway myself, your blind loyalty to the brand is pretty silly. Intel is the way to go, but kinda surprising you'd be so picky. No joke, my cell phone has more CPU power. To sum up: my impression is that you're either full of shit and pulling our leg, or you're slow, crazy, really young, or perhaps a mix of all three. :p
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    Lol, your really fuckin stubborn for buying a gateway computer even though they have ALREADY filed for BANKRUPT like Jubal mentioned. That should be a complete reason NOT to buy a fucking gateway... If i were you i'd just build your own system, I plan on doing an upgrade and building my computer (like i have been in the past), all I really need is a new video card.
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    Yeah your Gateway warranty means crap if there's no one there to honor it.
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    THIS WAS TAKEN WHEN I WAS USING XP HOME EDITION, WITH MY 2400 HD AND 6200 AND 8400GS. PLEASE READ CAREFUL BEFORE REPLYING BACK

    Crysis is not a demanding game, i was using my 2400HD on it, played alright, but the 6200 actually runs the game faster. The only video card that allowed me to play the game at 1280x1024 AAX2 low to medium was the 8400GS 512MB PCI card.

    Loading time on crysis was short, real short. Anyways,
    http://www.filecram.com/files/CRYSISAA2.jpg
    http://www.filecram.com/files/CRYSISAA.jpg
    http://www.filecram.com/files/SIS.jpg

    This is with the 2400HD PCI using the 8.9 drivers, i was getting between 7 -15fps. That was the end of the demo shots btw.
    http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2987/atisetup2vo8.jpg
    http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8849/atisetupzc6.jpg

    Also, the game runs better using my BFG 6200, but it really runs much better using the 8400GS 512MB.
    ..................................................................

    Benchmarks on Crysis with each card and driver:

    Visiontek 2400HD/1024X768 low/8.7-8.10 beta drivers = 7-15fps
    BFG Geforce 6200/1024x768 low to medium/1280x1024 low 177.92 or 175.80 drivers = 10-18fps
    PNY 8400GS 512MB PCI/175.80/1280x1024/AAX2/low medium/ 15-30fps.

    Its windows98se, older games work perfectly with it, so unless you don't play older games, of course you will not agree. And i already mention that even some games from 2008, work good on this rig.

    Look everyone, i don't care what someone is using, buy whatever you like, and enjoy it. In my case, i like gateway and i like Intel. And i will continue to use their products, end of story.

    I don't want the best computer brand out there, with the lastest products. I mean, this computer which i am using now has been working since 2000. It plays my games just fine, from the oldies, up until 2008. Quake 4 for example, i can max out with AAX2 on and the game hardly slows down, thats how good this rig is. For my next computer, i am planning to buy a 4670 Diamond 1GB card, and a Albatron 8600GT PCI card, with a gateway Intel desktop computer, 2ghz or more, and that should play any game on the market with ease.

    peace