Wikileaks = treason?

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  1. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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  2. Torx

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    how do we know this isnt cia propaganda..
    i dont know what to believe these days... that website couldve been hijacked and the people running the website could be dead and replaced by cia operatives spreading fud
    i remember when all this was starting to brew up the guys running the website were acting as if people were out to get them...
    we see this kind of shit in movies.. but theres a reason why its in movies..

    where can we download this batch of documents?
  3. SoulAssassin

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    I'd say it's less treason and more irresponsible. These docs *may* put people in harm's way just so he can say he leaked info. I haven't had a chance to read any of those leaks though.
  4. mistawiskas

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    What i'm more interested in knowing, is to what extent did our government already have this info? because if they did know even one iota of this, why the hell are we supplying financial support to pakistan?

    What I get with that link:

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  5. wheezer

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    The US gives out money to places like Pakistan all the time. This is not the first time nor will it be the last where the government doles out huge sums of cash to someone who could easily stab us in the back just to stay in their good graces.
  6. mistawiskas

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  7. tex

    tex jive turkey

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    but if we don't get give money then people are going to bitch about how much more other countries give per capita!

    I am all for withdrawing foreign aid drastically. I like barney frank & ron paul's proposal to dismantle our foreign bases that are providing countries with defense, such as many of the ones in europe & japan
  8. mistawiskas

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    I have to look at this whole thing and ask myself: since when is exposure of corruption concidered "treason"? of coarse the corrupted factions are going to scream "foul....treason!" Which is more treasonous?
    A secret government or an entity that exposes that secret government? We have sanctions against countries who have done less to harm our young people.
    The fact is, all this was known long before appropriating 7.5 billion dollars in aid and the prez ordering up 30,000 more of our finest young people to be sent into that "harms way". Yet, the fight the taliban they go and pakistan makes some bank.
  9. Mr. Ali

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    How is this different then the release of the pentagon papers and how it helped end the Vietnam war? This release is bad for the government and good for the people.
  10. MSP

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    Fuck the government, my concern is with the soldiers and national security in general.
  11. mistawiskas

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    The government is the ones fucking the soldiers. Knowingly giving 7.5 billion to co-conspirators looking to kill our boys is criminal in my way of looking at things. Covering up the truth about civilian casualties in Aphghanistan is criminal too. As citizens, if we pull shit like that, we go to prison. Just because the tag of "national security" is placed on an act, does not justify the exsistence of a shadow government in the USA. What the government did was lie to the public in order to control public opinion. They got called out on it. Now they want to use the "national security" card? Bullshit.
  12. PeNZ

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  13. MSP

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    I do agree with what you're saying, but I still think that Wikileaks and their sources are undermining our troops.

    And speaking of government corruption and waste, BBC was reporting this morning that of 9.1 BILLION dollars slated for Iraq reconstruction, that the defense department can only account for .4 BILLION of it. 8.7 BILLION dollars up in smoke... :shock:
  14. mistawiskas

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    makes me wonder how much of the deficit could be made up simply by eliminating 75% of wasted shit. I do know that what our country is doing, is not sustainable. We also missed the opportunity to set a major amount of things right when every country in the world was at rock bottom. Instead, our industry and government continued to do what caused the shitstorm in the first place. So long as the people of this great nation will continue to bail out the governemnt and industry by bending over and taking it in the ass when requested, this MO will continue. Myself for one, will not bend over anymore. at least without a hefty fee attatched to the act. :wink:. I'm tired of wasting the hours of my life so that fatcats in DC and on Wall Street can lead outrageously lavish lives and expect me to settle for a few token bones. I'm letting my dollars do my speaking for me. This seems to be the language that's spoken now days.
  15. ivanolo

    ivanolo Guest

    Exactly! People who hate taxes are misdirecting their anger. The problem isn't taxes; the problem is the corruption and inefficiency that permeate every layer of our system. If we could somehow (by violent revolution, maybe? ;)) get rid of those things, the result would be lower taxes.
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    And as soon as we rooted out the corrupt goons our own people would take their place. Corruption is as old as civilization itself, I've come to believe that it will never go away.
  17. ivanolo

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    We can't eliminate corruption completely, but our apathy as citizens emboldens politicians to get away with whatever they want.

    BTW, to consider it treason, the Wikileaks people would have to be doing things with the express intent of compromising our military and putting our country in jeopardy. I don't think that's their objective. I agree with SoulAssassin's assessment. ;)
  18. Panzer

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    This is just what happens. Some shit needs to stay secret and some doesn't. The US gives to much power to the wrong people within its self. 8.7 billion dollars!!!! damn.
  19. mistawiskas

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    We can fall off the radar and not participate. It's not that hard:
    step 1 - cut a hole in that box!
    step 2 - get out of the box!
    step 3 - stop chasing the carrot-on-a-stick
    step 4 - let your money do your talking
    The problem is not that they do what it is they do. The problem is that we allow them to do what it is they do.
  20. GRP

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    The White House has already said that there isn't a risk to National Security in the documents released. Also, Wikileaks withheld a lot of documents.

    edit: Wikileaks isn't American. No treason.
  21. MSP

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    Well, frankly I think the White House and defense agencies are trying to downplay the leak. And maybe treason is the wrong word, but I still think that Wikileaks has crossed a line and will eventually get shut down.
  22. Mr. Ali

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    But you guys are angry about the government and some private corporations for fraud/wrongdoing and a site like Wikileaks keeps companies and governments in line by releasing information that exposes this. Not all of the stuff released by Wikileaks relates to the war, they have all sorts of shit on their website. I can't believe anyone who isn't working for the man would ever want a site like Wikileaks to be shutdown.

    Also good luck shutting down Wikileaks, being that I think the servers are setup in different countries and being mirrored at other locations. Heck, they can't even get the owner of the site and hes out and about giving press conferences and everything. Of course if he was out and about in the USA it would be different story but hes going everywhere but here which is a good idea.
  23. tex

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    I am the man and I want it shut down now
  24. ninefivezero

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    My feeling is that any outrage should be at the governments illegal/immoral actions in this war and about the war itself, not the exposure of the truth.
  25. SoulAssassin

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    I completely agree but the timing of the release (depending on what it contains) may not be the best.