US is the "Most Armed Country in the World"

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by tweakmonkey, Aug 29, 2007.

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Do you personally own guns?

  1. Yes, several

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  2. Yes, I own one

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  3. No

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  1. ninefivezero

    ninefivezero infinite resolution

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    All the private guns in Iraq didn't stop Saddam from coming to power, or ever threaten that power....
  2. integra00

    integra00 Junior Member

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    Any invading force coming for me isn't going to get me as long as i have ammo... and i have lots of ammo.
  3. BrentN

    BrentN Banned

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    Well if you know the law, then you would know that a standard non-restricted/restricted licence is not valid for self defence purposes. You can use one of your guns for self defence given the circumstances, however you cannot own one for that purpose.
    There is a special application that allows females who have been stalked and preyed upon by criminals to carry a gun, ie a carry licence. I have been told that this licence has NEVER been issued lol.
  4. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    It won't be the invading force that gets us.

  5. NoPunIntended

    NoPunIntended Junior Member

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    That story was interesting. It makes me think about who's in power and who will be in power. I feel my generation (I'm 19 years old) does have some sort of a grasp on what is happening to our freedom and our ideologies might and will hopefully be different from what they currently are.

    Compared to my generation, there seem to be more religious followers in yours. I see so many people my age nowadays that have almost no faith in religion (I'm agnostic) and it makes me wonder how that will affect the world one day.
  6. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    Religeon is not where it's at, spirituality on the other hand.....
    I feel so ashamed of my generation. The "me first generation".
    The ills this great nation are experiencing, the bad politics, the horror that is our foreign policy, all that liberal "big brother crap"; none of this was as prevatant until the fellow baby boomers got in control. I sincerely apologize to all who came after the dissasterous generation I belong to. The next generation...the thirty-somethings, are poised to take the lead now. I hope they can sort it out and do better. It may be too late.
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    wow, this is a statistic most of you are actually proud of?

    when you take a look at the statistics related to gun crime, surely it's not something to be happy about?

    i am not trying to start a flame war or anything, i'd genuinely like to hear your views, it's a pretty interesting topic.
  8. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    Canada has quite a few guns as well, but you don't see the sort of gun crime there that you do here in the United States. I don't care for Michael Moore, but Bowling For Columbine was pretty interesting related to this topic.

    But as for gun ownership and people being "proud", it's part of our national identity. We revolted and threw off the British with our guns, the right to own them is guaranteed in our constitution, we tamed the West with them, etc.
  9. Commissar Smersh

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    First off, way to bump an 8 month old thread to flame us.

    Second, gun ownership and gun crimes are not necessarily correlated. Most crimes committed with a firearm are not committed with a firearm that is legally purchased and registered. Look at the District of Columbia, they've essentially banned guns within city limits, yet they have a crime rate that is 20 times the neighboring county in Virginia which does not restrict gun ownership.

    People own guns not to run out and commit crimes. Legal gun ownership is for sport or self defense in this country.
  10. smirnoff

    smirnoff Curmudgeon

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    Your argument doesn't make much sense to me Jamoid.

    Do you own a car? America has the highest car ownership per capita... by your logic you support drunk driving.
  11. jake

    jake Vagabond

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    Gun ownership <> Gun crime
  12. Commissar Smersh

    Commissar Smersh 2020 Staff Member

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    AFK to run some bitches over. :cool:
  13. MaesterB

    MaesterB King of the Wicker People

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    What is the point of owning a gun? Just looking for trouble, that is all I have to say.

    And no...I do not own a gun.
  14. smirnoff

    smirnoff Curmudgeon

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    Gun ownership in America just strikes me as people simply trying to level the playing field. It's a result of many things, perceived or real (crime rates, police not being able to change things, everyone else has a gun, etc), that leaves people feeling they're damned if they don't. Unless the aforementioned threats can be reduced, I can't blame people for wanting to defend themselves with equal force.

    I don't own a gun, as much as I enjoy shooting, and have no plans to buy one. I realize a situation could come up which you had no control over, and you might wish you'd had a gun. Knowing that I still feel that every person who owns a gun (for good intentions or bad) adds fuel to the fire. Much like the way people they feel they need SUVs and other big vehicles to be safe in a crash with other big vehicles. True though it may be, it is nonetheless an unfortunate response to the problem imo. It's a self propagating philosophy, that has bad consequences. That is what I believe, and that's why I don't own a gun.
  15. bigwill51534

    bigwill51534 Saint, Church of Ryanism

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    I fully support guns for use in hunting, target shooting, and for personal defense. If I have someone attack myself or (more importantly) my family, I have the ability to defend them no matter the attacker. It is just a sense of security. I do not have a violent bone in my body, yet I still believe in protecting what I have worked so hard to earn, and those who I work hard for.

    Quite honestly, if it comes down to giving my life for those I love, I will gladly do it. The guns just help to give me a little leverage if I do have to defend myself or others.

    Also, the sound of racking a Remington 870 is enough to scare away damn near any criminal. :D Everyone knows that sound.

    ~Will Courtier~
  16. Miller

    Miller Tweak Guru

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    I own multiple guns, If I didn't have these guns, the King of England could just walk in here any time he wants, and start shoving me around.
  17. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    I will be personally investing in t few riot guns and perhaps an assault rifle.
    Criminals do not buy guns through legal means, so equating gun laws to a reduction in gun crimes is naive, gulibility at it's finest. If a person that has a registered weapon uses it to commit a crime, it's usually a crime of passion, one that'd get commited with a curling iron if neccessary. I repeat, a criminal doesn't go into a sporting goods shop and buy a weapon through legal channels. What causes gun crime is greed, lust, envy, drug addiction and alcoholism. Not guns. You solve those problems if you want to put an end to
    murders and 905 of strongarmed robberies. use your head and leave the media liberal hype where it belongs......in the trash. 9 out of ten people owning guns also ensures that the constitution is upheald and the government takes notice when "we the people" become upset en'masse.
  18. Torx

    Torx Indigenous Nudist

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    i got a sword.
    so if someone tries to break in i'll finnally get to experience what its like to hack someones head off.
  19. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    no, it's forward under the rib cage, snap upward quickly and twist hard! :unibrow: "Swinging for the bleachers" will open you up to a undefended posture. Now if you catch your woman gettin' it doggy style, the perp would be in a vulnerable enough position to behead as planned. :twisted:
  20. smirnoff

    smirnoff Curmudgeon

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    Bedicked, then beheaded.
  21. kip59

    kip59 One of MSP's Sneaky Brits

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    In for a penny in for a pound!

    In england we have quite strict gun laws for the mass population but guns are becoming more prevalent; yes by the criminal fraternity mostly. We are at the mercy of our government and police forces as to the true rate of gun crime in the uk. I know for sure that some gun crime is not reported as such, but, categorised within other crimes.

    What I'm trying to to say (badly I know) is that people are scared of guns in the UK and at times on this thread there seems to be a 'casual familiarity' about guns that to me is quite frightening.

    My personal opinion is that guns are for killing either for food or in the name of your government i.e. the right to bear arms in times of national need.

    I understand and accept the points made for 'self defence' and 'the right to bear arms' but wonder what would happen if 'the people' en masse decided not to own or buy guns?

    That aside, in '92 I stayed in florida for a month and never saw anyone carry a gun or speak about them.

    How do your courts view the use of guns in 'self defence?'

    What about your service men and women? serving or ex?

    oh by the way, invade you guy's! we don't have enough frontline soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan let alone try and invade a country as large as the USA. LOL

    Oh and remember we have forgiven you for 1776 and 1812 when you kicked our arses. It was only one slightly lunatic King that didnt. LOL
  22. mistawiskas

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    Self defense includes defense against tyranny from within. Situations when self defense may be called for; including, but not limited to:
    *home invasion
    *riots
    *general madness: armed robery, shooting rampages, 'postal' people in 'tower killing mode'
    *crazed animals, including human
    *zombies (aim for the head)
    *hostile alien/government action
    * protection against mobs in natural or political dissasters
    * squirrel uprisings
    Other uses for firearms:
    *hunting for food
    *target practice to prepare for all of the above
    *competition
    *to provide the fact that 9:10 people own weapons, hense adding substance to the power of "we the people" (the declaration and constitution does mention "against tyranny)
  23. sims

    sims walls of text

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    I'm not really sure where I stand with this issue.

    In the hands of an intelligent, responsible, trained adult a gun doesn't pose much danger and if everyone over the age of 18 was a responsible adult then we would have nothing to worry about. That however is simply not the case, The world is a mess mostly due to the ignorance of most of us "adults" and it would scare the crap out of me to live in a country where pretty much anyone can get a gun, legally or not.

    The other day on the way home from work some guy was tailing me like an asshole, I slammed my brakes then proceeded to drive 35KPH(20MPH?) until he stopped. the entire time he was flipping out trying to shout shit at me out his window well trying to maintain a few inches from my bumper. I did all of this with a smile on my face but I don't think I'd have done the same in the states, I would honestly live in a constant state of fear.

    That or I would have to go on acquire my own gun to feel a little more secure as now the playing feild is at least level. This seemes to be what A lot of people do and to me it just seems like it would make matters worse. I don't like the mentality of "well the criminals can get guns, so everyone else should get alot of big guns so that every single person has a gun and the criminals won't hold any power over us"

    In Canada we have alot of guns, but they are mostly for hunting purposes,(IE large, heavy bolt action rifles) they have alot of really strict regulations around handguns and to my understanding they not very commonly owned. I believe(this could be a provincial law) but legally you need to inform the police if your leaving your house with one, even to go to a shooting range and back. People like to throw out the statistic that very little crime in the US is done with LEGAL fire arms, but with that in mind, an illegal firearm in most cases was once a legal firearm that has now been stolen. the problem with everyone in the country having guns is that allows criminals easy access through burglary. your gun can't fire itself and every time you leave you're house you are potentially allowing another criminal to easily acquire another illegal gun. If no one has guns in their houses it makes it very very difficult (although never impossible) for criminals to get guns.

    I could be wrong because I have not looked at the statistics myself but I've always been told that a large majority of the illegal weapons that exists in Canada are illegally brought over the boarder from the US.
  24. j0k3r

    j0k3r El Chupacabra

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    Did you also know that 100% of males have a penis? Penises are used to commit rape. Everyone with a penis should have it cut off IMMEDIATELY!! This is just not in America, it's a worldwide problem. I can't believe no one has ever brought this issue to the surface before.
  25. Commissar Smersh

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    Dear Canada,

    We lost the wild wild west thing over 100 years ago. Incidents of guns being drawn are quite uncommon.

    Love,

    America