It's a military operation if it is against a country, law if it is against an individual. (Over simplified). The Navy has CG personnel onboard so they can board ships without it being a act of war.
By the way. This ships cargo was full of humanitarian aid stuffs. Hmmm, kinda blows that whole diplomacy thing out of the water. Well maybe President Obama will physically bow to the Somali warlords sometime soon.
I wasn't arguing with you about the income / education thing. I was honestly surprised and took the opportunity to poke fun at Lurker and Coleman. And I never said that torture was OK, kinda at a loss where that came from. My beef with you has nothing to do with what you're saying really, just the method of delivery. Maybe it's just me but lately you've just taken a grumpy, "I'm right you're dumb!" turn. Perhaps I'm mistaken.
I have to take a minute to absorb the fact that a US destroyer is in a stand-off with a lifeboat. True, there is a US hostage aboard and I do hope it is resolved favorably for him, the US Navy, the US, and let's just say unfavorably for the pirates, but with the way things have been going for a while now, what with the US looking more like a blooper power than a super power, I have a terrible feeling that it possibly wouldn't really matter if there was a hostage in the boat or not.
seal snipers successfully completed negotiations and the hostage is released Somalia pirates might stay away from american ships now eh? discuss
I doubt it. That's kind of like saying "Well, we threw a crack head in jail, do you think anyone will ever smoke crack again?" Of course people will still smoke crack! Given the numbers of ships that have been taken in recent years, how vast the area really is, and how much money there is to be made doing it, I don't think they will ever stop due to simple enforcement. I think their tactics might change a bit, but piracy is not going away any time soon.
Yeah but when was the last time a crackhead got shot in the head? edited: Live piracy map: http://www.icc-ccs.org/index.php?op...controller=visualization.googlemap&Itemid=219
Took the words right out of my mouth. big difference between shooting someone in the face and throwing them in jail. considering the past couple times they've been getting their ransoms (yay dialogue! its like north korea =p ), of course they were encouraged.
Ok, if all piracy of ships stops after today you can tell me I'm wrong... My point wasn't to make a perfect analogy, my point was this won't change much.
so did the seals kill off all the pirates? they were supposedly told to proceed with extremes i wouldve liked to see a video of it, i bet it was like a video game.. creeping around and silencing those idiots off.
i dont think that piracy will stop after that, of course not but i imagine they are a semi tight nit group, and they know that the americans are in the area in force and willing to execute people to see the situation resolved in our favor at least SOME of those pirates are going to think twice if they have a choice between an american ship and a random ship from a country that doesn't have a huge military presence in the area
“We have decided to kill U.S. and French sailors if they happen to be among our future hostages,” said Abdullahi Ahmed, a member of a pirate group based at Harardhere, a coastal town in central Somalia. this shit is getting good!
So let me get this straight... Somali pirates try to hijack a US vessel by force, threaten the lives of those onboard, have demands for release of hostage(s).... THEN US says no, Navy Seals come and take it back by force (bad guys dead)... so they are upset and now want revenge on the US??? ROFL!!!!!!! Dumber than a box of rocks... What has the world come to?!?! SIDE NOTE: Fiddy and MSP... with a quickness come to Miami, I'm taking you both clubbing with the best of em. Who knows, maybe you'll wake up in each others arms
I pictured that too. Then I lol'd. Insofar as the pirates are concerned. I think a few q-boats could be quite effective; just troll around and the pirates are bound to bite sooner or later. Also, what's wrong with some on the ground interdiction? Bribe a few of the villagers to sell out the pirate's movements, and hit them by air when they're heading out of port...
All the power in the world can't help you, if you can't apply it in a particular situation. A Destroyer isn't going to do a whole lot of good against one human holding a gun to another human's head. That's not what a Destroyer was designed to do. If you bring a hammer, don't expect to use it to thread a needle.
I think it would have been funny to have a sub send a dummy torpedo at the boat. I wonder if dude would have ditched overboard leaving the hostage?
You could have the Destroyer send the dummy torpedo. Torpedo attack is one of the Tin Can's functions. Oh, and here are the specs for the Bainbridge; a guided missile Destroyer. She's got two mark-46 triple-torpedo tubes.
Too bad we don't have these around anymore... I know they wouldn't serve a practical role in anti-piracy but I'm pretty sure any pirate who saw one would shit his pants.
