The Dark Forces project

Discussion in 'Tech' started by Lazaredz, Nov 26, 2006.

  1. Lazaredz

    Lazaredz Conspiracy of One

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    [digg]http://digg.com/mods/The_Dark_Forces_Project_With_Pictures[/digg]

    While I have done some minor moding in the past (mostly blowholes) I've decided to make a run with this case.

    As seen in my "It Has Begun!" thread I have started building a new machine. The case is a P180B w/window. I am not only going to watercool this thing and run with a red lighting motif, but I've decided to go with a Dark Side Star Wars theme.

    In order to get the pump in the right place and have better airflow I decided to remove the top HD cage fan grill and the back fan grill. Both were cut using a dremel and smothing out the edges a bit with sandpaper.

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    Note that the front cut LOOKS to be offcenter due to the screw holes in the case. However those holes are not used. The front fan is screwed onto a plastic plate that slides into place and does center on the fan hole.

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    I had to cut out the roof of the 3.5 floppy bay as I needed more clearance for my pump and just removing the lowest 5.25 bay wasn't going to be enough. I decided to leave the sides on the 3.5 bay as they provide good cover for wires and such.

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    That is pretty much the cutting for now.

    Below are ideas of what I think I will be having painted on the case. I have found a local custom paint show here in Fredericksburg and am going to talk with them later this week as to what they can do and how much it will cost.

    For the right side:

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    and for the front door:

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    As for the window side, I'm not sure yet. I was thinking of just leaving it black and maybe hanging some Star Wars micomachines inside of it along with the red watercooling/lighting.

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    So, what do you guys think? Any ideas/suggestions?
  2. Lord Kain

    Lord Kain Keeper of the Timeline Staff Member

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    What I think? A SW theme? no

    But well, your ideas are great, especially the micromachines ones. The pics... bah
  3. Axl_Rose

    Axl_Rose Junior Member

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    Don't listen to Lord Kain, I don't think Star Wars has gotten to his part of Canada yet :p

    Anyways, I think it's a awesome idea and should look pretty sweet. I'm excited to see what it looks like when it's done.
  4. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    Pretty cool. Keep the pics coming.
  5. Lazaredz

    Lazaredz Conspiracy of One

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    Anybody know where I can get some SW window clings/case wraps?

    Figure I might go with that over a good black paint job if I can find what I want.
  6. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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  7. Lazaredz

    Lazaredz Conspiracy of One

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    Hey, those are pretty good.

    Actually what I really need though is high resolution shots of star destoyers.

    Any links?
  8. WoodButcher

    WoodButcher just me

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    HA ha haha, I love it, I wouldn't have star wars OR spidey in my livingspace but I love the mods. I like the idea of murals and it wouldn't surprise me at all if they cut you a break on price if you plug their shop on the forums.
    If it's just black paint your after use Rustoleum appliance epoxy, it is a spray paint, I have used it on 2 pc cases, 2 steel entry doors and on 1 fridge. The black is like lacquer, like a piano. Beautiful shit and very durable.
    Good move, not only does removing the grill from a fan increase airflow it reduces the noise, they cause turbulence. The chrome plated wire racks are best if you must have a grill. Use rubber washers or better yet the rubber screws like Silenex uses. I use their fans almost exclusively.
    I take it you haven't run the WC yet, did you write down or save your temps/ benchmarks on stock air cooling? The reason I ask is I got to thinking about what MSP said and aircooling,,,, Yeah, I put my 6600 into another case and I'm playing with it. I'll post a thread this weekend but I'm curious what your temps w/ stock were as I never tried the stock heatsink.
    It's nice to see I'm not the only one around here that likes to show off his works. Nice rig though, I hope you get the look your after.
  9. Griffin

    Griffin Might be back

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    I always wanted to make something like a dragon skull case with a bunch of red LED's. To bad i have no artistic ability at all to do it.
  10. Lazaredz

    Lazaredz Conspiracy of One

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    Sorry Scrubbin, missed your question is the last thread.

    I bought the case WITH the window as performance-pcs.com. I figured I should let the pros do this one as people (and me) will be looking at it (as opposed to the hidden cuts I did.

    I think that at stock idle temps were 45C and load temp was 68C with stock.

    OC at 3.0 with V up to 1.4 was 55C idle and 78C load. WAY to high for both but I also had the fans on the case set to low.

    Case is at the painters getting the base coat. I should have it back by Thurs latest. I am currently working with MovingTarget to get some custom work for the side and front to make into clings. I think I might go this way instead of paint simply due to the detail on can get with a cling printout vs hand painted. We shall see.

    Still looking for more high res pics if anyone else has a sight. I'm currently going through Episodes 4-6 taking screenshots for use.
  11. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    Dang, I gotta see it when you're finished....but why wait 'til then? Plz post updates along the road to your perfect case.:)
  12. Lazaredz

    Lazaredz Conspiracy of One

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    Okay, got the case back from the painters. It went pretty well. I used an interior auto paint, so it was flat and a vinyl base (I think). The guy did a pretty good job in my opinion. I'll be adding in the PSU, HD, and a couple of fans today. Still waiting on DD to get the 8800GTX block in stock.

    More pics in a bit.

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    You can see here how the interior case paint matches up to the exterior finish. Looks good to me, just less shine (and thus less fingerprints and dust show up).

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    PSU, HD cage, & fan in place (Yate Loon D12SL-12 will be used T/O)

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    As you can see I allready have a bit of touch up to do here and there. Not a big deal but basicly anywhere where its going to scrape will need a fine touch brush to it.
  13. Lazaredz

    Lazaredz Conspiracy of One

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    The idea here is to mount a low speed fan to vent the case and also provide mounts for the radiator. I plan on putting a air shield between the fan and the rad intake to that the hot air out of the case is deflected up and the rad takes in cool air from below. The rad is going to be a DD Black Ice 240GTS with 2 of the Yate Loons mounted to the BACK to PULL air through it. I do wish the screws were a bit longer but 50mm is the longest I could find at Lowes in this size. I may fiddle with this more in the future. Also I will do testing once done showing the difference (if any) between the deflector and none.

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    This is some simple floor padding bought at Lowes. I put some cheap flat black over it to match. I plan on using this plus some velcrow to mount the pump in the case.

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    Velcrow in place.

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    Padding on top.

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    Pump in place also.

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    Hopefully this will dampen the vibrational effects of the pump on the case and reduce overall noise.

    More to come.

    P.S. (I was able to purchase my DD 8800GTX block this afternoon. There is still some concern weather or not it will ship today. Hopefully it will or that $40 I payed for overnight will be wasted. I also got their new 680i block and some tubing (7/16 ID).)
  14. Lazaredz

    Lazaredz Conspiracy of One

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    The Danger Den 5.25 bay resivour didn't have the correct mount holes for my case. They only included the lower set holes and I needed to use midline holes to mount correctly.

    So measuring 3/4" down from the top and lining up the drill points with the holes below I used a 9/32 bit and GENTLE pressure to get the correct mount spots. I just eyed how deep to go. You have to be CAREFUL as you could easily go through to the actual res ..... and that would be bad.

    The top wholes are the ones I did.

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    and here it is installed.

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  15. Lazaredz

    Lazaredz Conspiracy of One

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    While waiting for my larger rad and 8800GTX block to show on Tuesday, I decided to do a rough run on the pump and clean out the blocks, pump, and res.

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    I just hooked it up to an empty molex on my current machine and set it on the floor. Hookup was EASY except for the pump. I guess you pretty much HAVE to boil the tubing end in water before sliding it on, its THAT tight.

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    Anywho, a little starting and stopping and turning/taping the componants got probably 99% of the air out of the line. The D5 pump is VERY silent once that is done. All I am hearing right now is the trickle of water as the res gets refilled. I suppose that will go away once I fully fill it as there will be less air to have turbulance against.

    I'll let this run for a bit and then drain and do it again. Just want to get some practice AND clean out the parts before going live.
  16. Torx

    Torx Indigenous Nudist

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    thats the fucking shit right there!!!
    keep em coming

    give us a spec list for the water cooling components
  17. Lazaredz

    Lazaredz Conspiracy of One

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    Okay, let see. All from Danger Den with 1/2" OD barbs:

    Pump: DD12VD5
    Radiator: Black Ice Stealth GTS 240 (a 120 is in the pic)
    Resevoir: 5.25 Single Bay clear
    CPU block: TDX for 775
    GPU block: 8800 GTX (same one that is on the BFG waterblock card. Not pictured here)
    Northbridge: 680i chipset block (not pictured)
    Southbridge (MCP): Maze 4 chipset block (not sure if this will work, gonna try)
    Tubing: 7/16 Masterkleer (not pictured. By boiling the end of the tube you can slip it over 1/2 OD barbs for a TIGHT (no clamps needed) fit)
    Coolant: FluidXP + Extreme (Red. Distilled water used for mockups)


    8800GTX and 680i block won't be here till Tuesday, so I'm just waiting now.
  18. WoodButcher

    WoodButcher just me

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    Nice dance with the reservoir, how thick are the walls that are screwed?
    If you still need longer screws call an elecrical supply, what size are they, 6/32 or 8/32? they can easily be found 3-4", I've seen them as long as 6" on a ceiling fan. Another alternative would be to buy it in a hobby shop. They make threaded rod in those diameters and thread pitch for r/c toys.
    Ha ha!!! what an ass am I, I assumed you meant to paint the outside of your case. I have two that need to be sprayed yet since I put in the windows but I need the time to do them and the proper air conditions. (humidity) I do spray the inside to conceal the sound-proofing. The spray on liquid rubber is great for that, it kills the resonance in a big sheet of tin and can be painted over. The new case I posted here I did that and sprayed flat black after as the only spray on rubber I could find was red.
    I'm enjoying the detail in which you describe your work Laz, I'm sure many will find the instruction useful in their own builds. Possibly when your done you could edit and post this as a "featured article"?
    Nice box!
  19. Lazaredz

    Lazaredz Conspiracy of One

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    Well, I don't know about a "featured article" but I am glad people are enjoying it (and maybe learning from my mistakes).

    I'll look into the electrical/hobby shops if I need them longer. For now I just dremmeled the fans so that they have NORMAL mount sites (instead of the long tube that goes to the other side). That got me the length I wanted.

    I'm waiting for my last parts to show up today and then put the machine together and do a test run with the pump. In the meantime though:

    Cooling the MCP (SB) on the 680i is a bit of a bitch with a 8800GTX. Bluntly it was REALLY poor planning on Nvidia's part. I had been thinking about this for weeks now as the MCP does need cooling but I didn't want to put a little chipset screamer down there.

    SO, I did a little cutting work on a DD Maze 4 chipset block and came up with:

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    The straight screwslot on the "north" end had to go as A) it was to thick and would not fit under the 8800 and B) if I used it to line up with the MB hole, the barbs would have been in a less accessiable position.

    Its no where NEAR as tight as it would be with a real setup, but it only twists a little. Seems to be making good contact and that is what is important. I THINK I will have enough room to get to the barbs when the 8800GTX block is in place. We will find out later today.
  20. Lazaredz

    Lazaredz Conspiracy of One

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    I'm giving this a quick try before I commit. I want to cool the MCP (SB) WITHOUT a louad 40mm screamer chipset cooler on it. I bought a MAZE 4 chipset block from DD just before they put out a 680i chipset (NB) cooler, so I had an extra. After doing alot of measuring and thinking I decided to cut off the straight screwslot as it was in the way (too high and ran into the 8800GTX card) AND was not in the right position to give me good access to the barbs.

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    The zip ties are for now. It gives me good enough contact. The block moves if pushed but holds in place if left alone. IF this works out allright I'll cut the tied and use thermal ADHESIVE to hold the block on.

    The rest of my stuff showed today and I cannot stress enough how much more flexable and easy to work with the masterkleer tubing is as opposed to the home depot stuff. Night and day people. WELL worth the money.

    The 7/16th tubing work VERY well on the 1/2 barbs IF you boil the tubing so its more maluable. Once again the pump barbs were the hardest part but I eventually worked them on (with only minor steam burns to show for it).

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    Looking good to now to add the actual fluid. I'm using FluidXP+Extreme red.

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    So far so good. No leaks and I probably have 90% of the air out of the loop. Can't hear the pump at all nor any trickle from the rad. I'll be turning it off and on a few times while tipping it here and there. Its a little harder this time as I have to beware of the intake from the res this time, its not gonna stay flat like the testbed and I don't want air to get back into the loop.

    Now we play the waiting game. /fingerscrossed
  21. WoodButcher

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    Ya forgot the pics w/ burned fingers!
  22. Lazaredz

    Lazaredz Conspiracy of One

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    It was minor. Nothing to even see.

    Sorry to disappoint. :(
  23. MSP

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    Red, nice choice on the coolant!
  24. jake

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    Looking good Lazaredz.
  25. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    Very well documented build. Cool stuff.