Texas Man Gets 40 Years in Stand-Your-Ground Case

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  1. HEAVY-D

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    86mcss Devouring your Soul

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    This is the damn problem. People see any one who owns a gun as part of the entire gun community. I am tired of seeing and reading "the entire gun community". Just like everything else in life...there are dumb fvcks and there are not. Some dumb fvcks just happen to own a gun and do stupid shit with it. When someone wrecks their car and kills another person the media doesn't talk about the "driving community" as a whole.

    I own a lot of guns. I read a lot of gun forums and honestly I dont like to associate myself with the "gun community". A lot of the people who frequent gun forums scare me with the way they think.
  3. HEAVY-D

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    True their are crazies everywhere and I hope I'm not one of them. :) I do see myself as part of the gun community just like I'm a part of the black community.
    Which forums do you go to? I go to a couple and whenever someone makes a dumb comment someone will call them on it.
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    Situations like this are one of the reasons why I never got my concealed carry. With a gun in my coat or glove box there would be a decision every time I got hassled by someone, but with no gun there the choice is automatic and obvious - flee the situation. Maybe if I frequented shady parts of town, but at this point I don't even drive through those places.

    But yeah, "the gun community" is just like the "black community". They are heterogeneous groups without cohesive leadership, and there are all walks of life among them.
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    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    I prefer a holster myself, no conceal/carry here. I won't hesitate to stand my ground at home.
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    nidex Hood Rich

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    This guy, a male, shot a female elementary school teacher? And claimed self defense? The article says there were two other men involved, and that they were wounded. He told the dispatcher he feared for his life... what made him think he was going to be killed? Did the teacher or one of the 2 men pull a gun on him? Did they tell him they were going to kill him? Were any fists swung?

    Shit like this has got to stop. I like guns just as much as the next person, infact I go shooting ever-so-often, but honestly people are too fucking stupid to allow them to take the law into their own hands. I'm surprised this guy didn't get the chair, considering this is Texas and all. This stand your ground stuff has got to go, minus of course if you are on your own property. This guy went on to his neighbors property, and started an argument, and he claimed he was standing his ground? It wasn't even his ground to begin with! He should've kept his fat ass at home and put headphones on.
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    Nevermind, he shot another male. Who names their boy Kelly?
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    namelessentity Resident Cynic

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    I'm totally with Nidex on this. You're not standing your ground when you provoked the entire situation and then video taped it. Sometimes I'm sad for how stupid people are, but then I'm grateful that some people are dumb enough to provide damning evidence to put them in prison.
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    Yeah, in this day and age, there's a camera everywhere. We are all living under threat of becoming the next viral vid. Everything everyone does is subject to video capture and youtube.
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    Turns out, stand your ground laws have lead to an increase in homicides between white males!

    http://papers.nber.org/papers/w18187?utm_campaign=ntw&utm_medium=email&utm_source=ntw
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    The black males have been shooting first and asking questions later all along, so I wouldn't have expected the laws to affect their numbers much. :)
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    Our local sherif's dept (only law enforcement out this way) just cut out 97% of it's staff due to the taxpayers rejecting a 30% raise in the levy request. I'm totally locked and loaded. matter of fact, Fedex should be delivering another 750 rounds, a couple more banana clips and another clip for my mark2 match pistol today.
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    Oregon is such a weird state. Seems like the major cities lean socialist while the surrounding farms and timber counties have a libertarian attitude about them. Will be curious to see how Josephine fairs with their political experiment.
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    Most all laws are passed with the votes from Portland. This is why bears, cougars and wildlife is over running every area other than Portland, why the rest of the state pays for a multi billion dollar mass transit system they'll never get to use and why everyone other than Portland-ites are super pissed at the liberal antics of the "wierd" government.
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    How long was he on the phone with 911? Did the other guy go into his house and get a gun like he said he was in the video? Was he in their driveway when he first confronted them?

    If he was on a public street at all times, never moved towards them, then the guys all came up and surrounded him like it appears in the video, then one guy goes inside to get a gun (or pretends to go inside and get a gun) and comes BACK to the scene of the confrontation, I would have a hard time convicting this guy. Did you hear the laughing or whatever the one guy did just before the first shot was fired in that video? The vision I got from that was a guy running at him with a gun in his hand.

    From what little I know, I would have held both parties responsible. Yes, the shooter could have handled things differently as it did seem as though he wanted a conflict, but the "victims" (loosely used IMO) definitely should have handled things differently also. The guy asked them to turn it down (fairly nicely, but you could tell he was agitated), then a drunk asshole replied with a smart ass remark, and it went down hill. Also, it would be MUCH more clear cut (IMO) if the guy didn't do the laugh/yell/lunge at a guy holding a gun...
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    Go watch the video and listen to it carefully. This guy recorded the confrontation to cover his ass if things went wrong. He has had a history of issues with the person he killed. The stand your ground law in Texas says you can stand your ground inside your home or on your property. He walked down the street to confront the neighbors. Fat ass started shit because the police didn't stop the party so he took the law into his own hands and someone dies over what, loud music? Give me a break.
    Think about it, who goes to a neighbors house to ask them to turn down the music with a loaded gun? His acting sucked btw
    One neighbor testified he joked about getting away with murder using the stand your ground law.
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    Yeah, he was clearly trying to cover his ass with the making of that video; and he is a bad actor and did a shitty job. "I am in fear for my life right now"... sounds like he wrote down the script before coming outside and put it into play. Dude is a fool. Enjoy those 40 years, good riddance, another trigger happy moron off the streets.

    Sounds like he was one of those wannabe cops like Zimmerman. Has a vision of himself in his head as this law abiding, stand-up citizen, but in reality he's no better than your typical criminal. "This is definitely above 85 decibels, and I'm 200 feet away". So the solution to that is to bring a gun over? Why couldn't he ignore the music, maybe put some headphones on? Noise is a part of living in the city. Sure, it might be disrespectful of the neighbors to have a loud party, but it is nothing that warrants taking a life or even a fist fight for that matter. I live in the city... my neighbors have had loud parties until 2am. I've smelled weed multiple times in the apartment hallway. I've witnessed public drunkenness and loud partying outside of my building. Guess how many times it has bothered me enough to ask them to keep it down, or call the cops? Zero. But seriously, if he couldn't put headphones on, why didn't he call the police from 2 different numbers, or call them multiple times until they respond? Why couldn't he go over there unarmed, without a video camera, and politely ask them to turn it down- multiple times if necessary? Putting a camera in someone's face provokes an individual, especially if they are drunk... and he knew that. Why didn't he leave after the guy said he was going to "come back and be his equal" or whatever he said which implied a gun. Seems like the ideal time to dip the fuck out, to the safety of YOUR home. That way, if the neighbor came back with his gun, he would have been justified in standing his ground. Either way, the confrontation was totally unnecessary, and now somebody is dead because of it. The bottom line is he didn't like the neighbor, and was looking for a reason to start a fight; videotaping it to make it appear that he was not the one in the wrong. Total waste of life, for the victim and Rodriguez.
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    I think it's unanimous: the guy was definately a fuck head and got what he should have gotten. ;)
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    The real problem is that these idiots will be used as weapons by the people who want to take away our gun rights.
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    That's for damn sure. And the media is on that side of the equation too.
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    Jackalope NNNNEEERRRRDDDSSSSS!!!!!!

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    I know what you mean. I finally got mine in the mail a few weeks ago, (the state really drug their feet on it, I took the class back in january). I haven't carried once since I got it. It's just so much responsibility when you carry. You have to constantly be on your guard, and hope you know what to do at the right time. Because one decision could very seriously affect yours and someone else's life. I want to be responsible for my own safety, and be able to defend myself if need be, but I just don't feel right now that I'm ready to take the responsibility and know how to use it properly. And no, I'm going to blast every motherfucker that looks at me wrong if I do decide to carry.
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    I'm proud to know I am affiliated with some people that know the responsibility of a CC.
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    I agree with you that he was screwed up in the head, but all I'm saying is that he is not SOLELY at fault for this. Would anyone have died if he asked them to turn the music down and they said "OK"? Would anyone have died had they all just stood there in a stale mate they were in until the police showed up?

    The whole situation is screwed up, I just don't see him as the ONLY aggressor in this case.

    My bottom line? Laws are only there to punish people who break them, they do nothing to protect you. If someone has a gun pointed at you, you're their bitch, they have control of the situation.
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    Agreed, maybe that's why he only got 40 years.
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    Still haven't gotten my license because of the huge responsibility it carries. Still going to get it soon.