Tea party

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by ivwshane, Apr 12, 2009.

  1. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    So you are telling me that the people who voted for change, the same people who kicked out the republicans are now still upset and want Obama the socialist out, even though he laid out his plan and told the American people exactly what he was going to do?

    I'm sorry but the people that voted the republicans out and Obama and the democrats in are not these same people. The people that were outraged with the direction the country was going spoke and they spoke loud and clear and voted for the change they wanted.

    The people who were at these rallys were either ron Paul bots, which started their movement several years ago when ron came on to the scene (as in became popular), or they are right winged republicans who are angry at their complete loss of power!
    The small governent movement by the rp bots was/is legitimate as they have had that position ever since they came on the scene. However they weren't the majority at these rallys as evident by a) the types of signs being held up and b) by the lack of knowledge about what they were protesting and their lack of knowledge on the subject as a whole! Ron Paul bots usually consist of well educated (with regards to their cause) people, these people were anything but knowledgable.

    In my opinion, if you give legitimacy to the right wing and their call for small government then you are taking away from the legitimacey of the Paul bots movement.
    And while the message may be the same the impact of the message is not and it only cheapens/weakens the cause.

    So am I saying that this movement only recently appeared? No, I'm just saying that the people who were outraged already spoke and made it clear what they wanted when they voted Obama and the dems in.
    The other movement (small government) has been around for a while and it didn't magically grow to the size it is now because only now are people outraged, it grew because it was high jacked by the right to be used for their own gain. I'd like to point out the fact that the Ron Paul movement during the election was all but laughed at by the very same people (fox news) that are now championing his cause.

    And if that doesn't reek of bs to you then nothing will!
  2. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    Of course it's mostly BS, duh! We're using a hot button issue to rile people up and subvert the administration. And from the size of the crowds I'd say it's fairly successful thus far. The protests are happening on many layers, and you're stuck on the surface. Anyway, it's just the first salvo at chipping away at his public opinion numbers. The really nasty stuff that will really get you pissed will occur closer to the election.
  3. ivanolo

    ivanolo Guest

    Let's agree to disagree.
  4. ivanolo

    ivanolo Guest

    When Bush was in office, I didn't hear about any Tea Parties being held to complain about his failed war and/or the lack of action from his administration during Katrina, for example.
  5. ATIzed

    ATIzed New Member

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    No, not everyone who voted for Obama or Democrat Congress members. However, maybe some didn't think he'd start asking for so much so quick. Maybe they didn't know or believe he'd ask for so much in the first place. Maybe they voted for anyone but another Bush even if they voted for Bush in '04 over the awful candidate John Kerry. Maybe they didn't vote at all because McCain looked too much like Bush. Maybe McCain was such a horrible candidate that they figured they'd try the new guy out on the other side. Maybe they wanted to send a message to their senators who they felt betrayed them with their votes on various issues they held in higher regard than others. Maybe they decided on a protest vote. Maybe a few have buyer's remorse now that they look at Obama's administration... and on and on. I don't know the motivation for each and every person who attended any of these protests, but the discontent was brewing.
  6. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    Except his poll numbers say otherwise and guess who has the worst ratings, that's right, it's the GOP.

    I guess if your party sucks and is in the shitter then any sort of turn out is a success!
  7. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    You would be right but the crowds at these events say otherwise, again where were the GOP hate signs? Why were people booed when any negative was put on the GOP?

    The only problem with your argument is that the numbers simply don't back you up.

    Sure there are people that are not happy with Obama, sure there are people not happy with the dems but guess where the most contempt is directed to? The republicans.

    If this was not a manufactured protest I don't see how you could have some without the other!
  8. MSP

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    It's a process, so I don't expect immediate results. One thing is for sure though, you're definitely trapped in the "moral matrix" as described by the TED video I posted the other day. You and a few others around here have almost no objectivity when it comes to this stuff.
  9. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    That's absolutely laughable coming from you!

    Do I need to link to page one of this thread where I contemplate an extreme idea and it's possible outcome merely to see where it would take us, despite the fact that I'm against exactly what I was talking about?

    Just because you watched a video and you agree with it doesn't make you what the video says you should aspire to be.


    LOL I think it is you who has foresaken the blue pill!
  10. tex

    tex jive turkey

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    You are showing more and more of a streak of just spouting off whatever comes to mind rather than using logic or facts.

    The GOP is clearly in the shit, and even a ton of republicans will admit that. The key is that most people are moderate and are not going to bleed red or blue (ie towing the party line.) A lot of the same people who were pissed at bush and voting for obama are the same people who are pissed at obama now, right/middle/left, whether it be for the budget or torture. People are pissed off and riled up enough at this point that they're going to be going after everyone who fucks up. Obama and the democrats controlling the government at the moment just means that they have a big target on their back.

    And in regard to the following:
    Look: Gresham Barrett, GOP Congressman, Booed Off Stage At Tea Party (VIDEO)
    While I agree that it is mostly anger directed towards dems & Obama, that isn't 100%
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    ATIzed New Member

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    I watch the now popular Susan Roesgen CNN crowd interview and see signs in the background that say "Republicans Suck too" and "Stop reckless spending." Ok, great, then what, you'll say "big deal" and post 50 more slogans that are specifically anti-Obama and tell me more about those numbers and booing. I just happen to have more doubt than you that everyone who showed up was part of a GOP rent-a-mob and believe that the building discontent with government especially near the end of Bush's 2nd term during his last 3 horrific months in office and helped along by Obama's stimulus price tag amongst other things may have brought some people out to participate regardless of who organized the protests.
  12. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    So what you are telling me is that the few people who wanted bush out and voted for Obama, now want him out?

    Are these same people retarded or just gluttons for punishment? Because like I said earlier, Obama clearly laid out his plan to the American people and he most definitly agreed to the bailouts AND he most definitely laid out a plan to make government bigger (you remeber his health care plan right), all before he was elected!

    What about the above statement is not fact?
    Where is the logic in that thinking (let's vote for change and FOUR months later let's protest it!)?

    As far as your example goes it only proves my point further, the "true" protesters (rp bots) were there but they were the minority, otherwise incidents like the one you posted would have been more common place!
  13. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    Please tell me where the fuck I said EVERYONE there was a "GOP rent-a-mob" protester, because if I did I'd like to correct that right now!
  14. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    I'm getting kind bored debating about this frankly. Whatever you intend to be posting about you're coming off (at least to me) as a bit frothing at the mouth, highly partisan, and kinda irrational. But anyway, have fun with it. And isn't it about time for you to post another thread about this exact same topic? :p

    All joking aside, if I were posting duplicate flame bait like this a mod would have locked at least one. But there we go...
  15. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    That's because my posts don't turn into name calling one upmanship;)

    And just because I made two threads with similar titles doesn't mean they were about the same topic. In fact I only called this one tea party because that movement is what got me thinking about it and looking at the topic from a different view point (something you said I wasn't able to do).
    Admittedly though, this has gotten off topic and has turned into a discussion, about which, my other thread was based on, the tea parties themselves.
  16. GRP

    GRP oh snap

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    fagggggggot

    whatchu gon' do 'bout that, son?
  17. MSP

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    I didn't call anybody any names. I'm just pointing out that there are a few of you that have gotten all sensitive and angry since Obama was elected. Your party is in power now, shouldn't you be happy? The ribbing and barbs that I endured with a chuckle during the Bush years would likely send you guys into a straight jacket. Lighten up dude.
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    GRP oh snap

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    For real. Everybody.
  19. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    How do I need to lighten up?

    I'm not the one that wrote this:

    As far as "my party" being in power, who ever said I was a democrat? I vote for the most competent candidate and one who most closely follows my views compared to the alternatives. This year it just so happened to be a democrat.
    Maybe having a discussion that involves varying opinions is flame bait to you but it's not to me and I don't take it as such. I post these topics not to prove I'm right and you are wrong but to have a better understanding of how things work and why they work the way they do.


    If you don't want to continue discussing this topic that's fine, I think it's a shame but I'm not going to be mad (I may get passionate but I don't get mad).