So i've been thinking about what i want to do with the rest of my life... (about A+)

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  1. gB dAvId x

    gB dAvId x thats what she said

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    And well its hard, lol. Anyways i was contacting this guy from heald college (its a technical school by where i live) and i was asking about certificiations. Well i'll be almost done with my CC, i have one more full time semester and then two over the summer then two in the fall to be able to transfer to a university if i wanted to. But i'm 21 and i want to move out, i'm tired of living at home. Anyways, back to my original question for the IT guys. I was thinking about finishing up my jc this semester so i can get my aa move out and take the classes on my own. So I have a question regarding certifications. The guy said that if i have a CCNA and a MCSE certificaton, those are like way better then an A+ and network + and security + and so forth, is that true? Thanks, i'll ask more later if i have any...
  2. MSP

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    Oh yeah, A+ and 50 cents will get you a cup of coffee. I'm taking mine tomorrow simply because my boss wants me to be able to work on other accounts and some require it. But CCNA and MCSE are like gold...

    As for being 21 and wanting to move out, just try to think long term. It may seem like forever, but a few more years at home is not a big deal. And it's a LOT harder to go to school and support yourself 100% at the same time. Your chances of success drop off dramatically going it alone. If I could quit my job and be supported like that I would go back to school right now! But alas I have a mortgage and car payments and child support and... Take advantage of it while you can!
  3. gB dAvId x

    gB dAvId x thats what she said

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    Yeah i know, i'm still heavily thinking about still going to school, i just want to move out, i'm tired of living at home, i just want experience and ill try and go to school at the same time, most of the job's i've looked at for IT don't really care about a degree except for big companies, they usually want experience. I want to get a degree in Manament Information Systems (business degree focusing in it a little i guess) at my local university, but those certifications will still still be useful nonetheless even if i have a bachelors degree i believe
  4. MSP

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    Well, a lot just depends on where you want to end up. I know a VAX system administrator that makes nearly 6 digits and he only has an associate’s degree. I myself have none at all and am doing quite well also. If you wanted to get into IT project management stuff (where the REAL money is) you would want a bachelor's for sure. Throw in some tech certifications and you'd be all set. But then there's the danger of being over educated and priced out of the market. I dunno, it's a tough decision. I would simply suggest you sit down, do some research, talk to people, etc and figure out what sort of job you want in IT. For me I like the technical / project side a lot, and don't want the hassle or long hours that go with management. I have more money than I need as it is.
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    That's a good reason I joined the Navy. I get to live in a room for free, and get college credits for taking these classes, then when I get to the boat, ill be taking courses for college, on my own time. I'll get that Bach by the time I get out. Hell, free college and the money I dont use, I can roll down to my children for college. I just don't know what I want to do when I start the courses.
  6. gB dAvId x

    gB dAvId x thats what she said

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    yeah i thought about joining the air force/navy its just not something i want to give 4 years and possibly my life for
  7. SoulAssassin

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    It's tough to get a job w/o an A+ - just to get your foot in the door anyways. I've got my Bachelor's, MCSA (one from MCSE) and ready to take my CCNA. I really learned everything on my own so books, old computer equipment/routers are your friend.
  8. gB dAvId x

    gB dAvId x thats what she said

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    SoulAssassin, Well why would i take an A+ if i have a MCSE and CCNA? aren't those two like better then the A+ i understand though if i don't have those two then A+ would help me get a job quicker...
  9. Electric_Head

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    Pretty much what everyone else said. A+ and Network+ won't hurt you, they are the entry level certs. CCNA and MCSE are like gold.....but take years to get. You can't just go take 1 test and be an MCSE. You need to decide what you want to do! Thats the same situation I'm in, except I'm pretty much the opposite of you, if that makes any sense.

    I'm 20yo, no certs, currently doing technical support for proprietary payroll software, but I have 3 years experience on my resume allready. 2 of those years are doing PC helpdesk support. I'm making $55K before overtime, still living at home, but I don't really know exactly what I want to do yet.
  10. gB dAvId x

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    Dang, i wish i were in your shoes... makin big bucks living at home! And why can't you go take a test? The campus that i'm going to be going at will have it one day a week on saturday (from 8am-4pm) and if i need more time i can go in during the week if i'm struggling, its going to cost around $3500 plus some money for books, the course is eleven weeks long for both of the tests (two different eleven week programs)
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    If I'm not mistaken, MCSE and CCNA are a series of tests and classes, not just 1 test you can take in an afternoon.

    I've really just been procrastinating about getting my own certs, because I'm really not sure what I want to do yet.
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    An A+ just shows basic competency. The MCSE takes 8 tests now (for 2k3) to get all the way through, 4 for the MCSA. More schools have been teaching the Cisco classes so a CCDP would be helpful after your CCNA. Network+ is just an extra to go with the A+ and counts towards one test of your MCSA. If I'm hiring I look for A+ or MCP (MS certified professional - one test passed) at the very least for a basic job. If you have no certs you better be able to show someone you know what you're talking about on your resume or hopefully at an interview.
  13. gB dAvId x

    gB dAvId x thats what she said

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    yeah i know that, the program is one day a week for eleven weeks long


    what did you get your bachelors in electric head?
  14. Torx

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    alright, heres my take on it..

    ive been going back and forth on deciding whether or not to spend time and money on these certs.. I'm soo fucking burnt out on studying for them im worn. I was studying for a+, linux+(finished it but never took the test), network+, ccna, started on mcse 290 i believe. Didnt finish ANY except for linux+, and i was the only one in my class that was even interested and went through with it.

    After all that, im just not a gambling man. Even though my school gives us a baddass discount (~$58 for cert exam), i still cringe at failing and losing my money. I dunno im just not interested like i used to be.

    After reading continuous blogs, news and shit around the internet about how certs are a waste of time like little baby certs like the + series. If your employer wants you to be certed they'll pay for it for ya. So i say ignore the baby shit and go straight for the big dogs (if you wanna do it). Just think high school students around here are getting a+ certed out of high school!!! Just imagine how flooded it is already! To the point where its not even unique.

    and yes, the mcse is like ~10 exams???! I was just studying for one and it wore me out fast. But thats where the money is, ccna and database certs, any microsoft cert will help land you a great job

    i just feel like i need some more proof or positive influence on certs and getting a job
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    I didn't goto school...self taught. I built my first PC when I was 14, and no, my parents aren't in IT or do anything technical.

    @SoulAssassin : Would you hire someone like me to your team? I promise I won't get stoned at work and I know my shit. :-D
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    sorry electric head i meant soulassissin :p
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    If we were hiring absolutely. I couldn't care less what people do on their free time as long as they're able to work and be professional during the work day. I spend 95% of my time in front of clients - not my boss.
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    The most important thing before doing anything, is to decide what you really want to do in IT. Look over what the MCSE cert entails, and see if that's what you really want to do. If you decide to go that route, I would definately suggest to go A+ and Net+ before going MCSE. I'm not sure how much you know about IT/system administration now, but I think the A+ and Net+ would be good for laying the foundation with the later stuff. Also, as SoulAssassin mentioned, the A+/Net+ counts as a waiver toward an elective for the MCSA (pre-cursor to MCSE), bringing down the exam count to 3, which isn't too bad (probably acheivable in 3-4 months).

    The MCSE will be a bit tougher, as it's a full 7 exams, and you can't use your A+/Net+ as a waiver. It involves 4 core exams dealing with Windows 2003 Server (planning, implementing, maintaining, etc.) and Active Directory, then you'll need a client exam (XP or Windows 2000), a Design exam, where you literally have a handful of multiple choice questions, and if you get the first one wrong, the rest will be wrong, as your answers build according to how you answered the previous question (the exam is by far the hardest of all, as well). Lastly, you'll need to take an elective, which can be anything from Exchange Server to ISA server to project management stuff.

    In the end, I would be atleast 90% sure this is what you want to do, as this will take a lot of time, effort, and money to accomplish.

    Your best bet would to get your A+ and Net+, become somewhat marketable to employers, get a job, and learn there. It will look alot better on a resume than just certs, and will help you infinitely in your learning process.
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    What kind of work do you do? Just curious, I know you been in the IT field for a good ammount of time. I'm still a lowly support technician who spends half the day answering phones and the other half of the day running around the office resolving issues that can't be done over the phone. Since I've allready got a few years entry level experience, should I even bother with A+ and network+? I was studying for MCSA right now, planing to skip A+ and Network+. My work experience allready includes troubleshooting win2k-winxp, norton ghost, office 2k3, hardware troubleshooting/deployments, troubleshooting basic network connectivity, VPN connections from hotels and such, I can navigate AD pretty well, setup print servers, etc. Just havent had any administrative experience.

    I don't mean to Hi-jack gB dAvId x, I'm just sort of in the same boat as you except I have work experience instead of a degree.
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    If you already have two years of desktop support just skip the A+ and network+ (you can get the ccna later). Most employers look more for the MS certs because they understand what they mean. I think the XP and server 2k3 tests are easy but don't go in overconfident or it's a waste of $125.
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    Well, I took the Core half of the A+ today and it was pretty easy. I really HATE that it requires the rote memorization of IRQs and memory addresses, etc. But I did it. At this point I don't really see it as information valuable enough to commit to memory...
  22. GOG427

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    A+ is super easy i got mine almost 9 years ago. it was around same time i was second year of itt. back when i thought my life would add up to something.
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    very few jobs in the navy and airforce are high risk jobs, and youll only get those if you ask for them.

    as with any other job, there is always a risk of being injured or killed. but the majority of jobs are low - med risk. and the chances of seeing combat in either branch are slim to none, unless again, you ask for it.
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    A+ certs are good forever. What about the M* certs (MCP, MCSE, etc)? How long are they valid? My scuba certification lasts forever too... :)
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