Yeah, true. Missouri actually has a pro-spanking law. (Missouri also enacted modified Castle-doctrine and Stand-your-ground laws not many yrs. ago) I'm also wondering what's happened to violent crime rates in various states as they passed conceal-&-carry laws. Doesn't almost every state have one in some form or fashion? I thought I heard that on TV recently but wasn't paying much attention to it at the time.
Yes 49 of the 50 states have conceal carry laws with Illinois being the exception but that law was just struck down by a judge based on the 2nd amendment. They have 180 day stay that gives them time to come up with a law.
Hold on big guy, you changed your argument and made the point I was trying to make, I bolder the relevant part. And voter ID laws are the exact opposite of having it both ways and furthers my point. Voter ID laws don't give more people access to voting who would otherwise be legally able to vote, they make it harder.
Interesting take by former NYPD Deputy Commish [couldn't imbed the vid] http://www.businessweek.com/videos/...otings-more-common-in-the-u-dot-s-dot#r=lr-fs Since 1966, the US has had 237 of these types of shootings while Canada, Germany, Australia, and Israel have less than 10 each. He discusses the cultural similarity of the US and Canada. He also talks some about the fact that these shooters fit a common profile: they act alone, they plan, they are nearly always male, and nearly always late teens/ early adults.
" Guess what, your lives won't end if you don't have a gun" Tell that to the victims at the theatre that just wanted to ewatch a movie. How many mass shootings do we hear about at a gun show? Remove all the politics, spin and bullshit and this is what the man really says: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/tables/viortrdtab.cfm according to the most liberal paper.media in the nation: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/24/us/24crime.html?_r=0 My intention is not to debate the 2nd amendment or the pros/cons of gun ownership. My points are made to highlight the showboating and propaganda going on at the expense of the parents of those young children that lost their lives, in order for an agenda to be furthered.
one bad apple fucks it up for all of us.. yet.. again. more freedom taking, more surveillance, more liberties taken, more profiling, more laws, more internet transparency, more priveledges taken, more more more..
That's what I'm getting at. What a perfect political tool to use (politics=persuading public opinion). For instance: The whole first day of reporting was saying the perp used two handguns: a sig saur and a glock with high capacity mags. Today it's reporting that he used soley the bushmaster that on the first day they said was found in the trunk of his vehicle. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012...216?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews&rpc=76 This is the same news agency that declared that the 9mms were used on the day it happened. WTF is it going to be? You cannot trust the media for the truth. There are those that relish shit like this to promote their own agandas. Those are the real sick fuckers
After this event I sat both of my kids down and went over what they should do in an event like this. 1) Run like hell, 2) Stay hidden, out of sight, play dead, and 3) Use fat kids as human shields.
I just drove through Newtown about 20 minutes ago. Parked at a coffee shop, walked to the memorial, and paid my respects. It was pretty tough. There were news crews all the way from Australia and Canada covering the story and sad-eyed people filing down the streets. Thought we saw the President, but it was just a fleet of vehicles (including an armored tank-type vehicle) coming back from a bomb threat. Surreal.
Yep, everyone wants a piece of the media attention right now... It's depressing how many people are taking advantage of this tragedy. ~Will Courtier~
Oh, and speaking of this tragedy. I just read a pretty touching poem which nearly brought me to tears. I am Christian, but not insanely religious. Nevertheless, it touched me and I am sure it will help provide some sort of a positive twist to this event. ~Will Courtier~
No. I wish everyone would stop invoking God/religion in this tragedy. If God was real, he wouldn't send some asspie in to kill school children. Between this poem and Obama's "prayer" at the end of his otherwise decent speech, I'm feelin' especially John Lennon right now. Buuuut if the families appreciate it, that's what's important I suppose. It's just disconcerting that in 2012 so much of the population still believes in God. We have doppler radar now, yo. Get with it. Like I said, my mom is a teacher two towns over from Newtown. I know I'd be furious if people started involving God into the equation if something like this happened at her school. God doesn't have a plan and he didn't need 28 fucking little angels either because God isn't real. God is not the light, he's the scapegoat. /asshole. I know I'm in the minority, just need to vent. Sorry.
God is what people use to put themselves at ease, sort of like wearing those damn yellow/red etc bracelets.
Well God does have a plan for all of us. God gives each of us the ability to choose how we live our lives. That is one of the greatest gifts we have in this life is freedom to choose. We will be judged by our choices. There is a lot of times where people in similar circumstances (Virginia Tech shooting) where people of my religion have said that they felt inspired not to go to school that day for some reason and if they had they would have been in the class where the shooter was. I know of numerous other similar examples and situations where that has happened. I don't see what your so bent out of shape about sparky where in this country it seems like the Church of the NFL, NBA, etc. rules on Sunday more than any denomination. Just because people claim to believe in God doesn't mean they do a whole lot about it. Seems like this country is going the direction that you want it to go where no one believes in God. EDIT: OH YEAH HERE'S A FACT BECAUSE I AM OFTEN QUOTED ON NOT HAVING ANY. "A 2001 survey directed by Dr. Ariela Keysar for the City University of New York indicated that, amongst the more than 100 categories of response, "no religious identification" had the greatest increase in population in both absolute and percentage terms. This category included atheists, agnostics,humanists, and others with no theistic religious beliefs or practices. Figures are up from 14.3 million in 1990 to 34.2 million in 2008, representing an increase from 8% of the total population in 1990 to 15% in 2008.[4] Another nation-wide study puts the figure of unaffiliated persons at 16.1%.[40]"
The man wants to grieve in his way, sans God. Let him. Sparky, it gets easier as time goes by but it's never going to be normal again. With my mom having taught for 30 years and now working with them outside the classroom and having just experienced Aurora, I know it's not any consolation that I know that feel. Colorado is definitely with the friends, family and neighbors in and around Newtown. Even more surreal, one of the posters' at another forum I frequent sister was the teacher who had a sub in the classroom that day.
It won't matter after friday anyhow . I think the media needs to give it a rest anyhow. Enough copy-cats are already charged up enough and motivated from the first two days of media inundation.
Trust me, with you spouting stuff about the imaginary space Jesus nobody is expecting you to ever speak any facts,
We got "facts" uppin here : http://www.kdrv.com/ritual-prepares-people-for-december-21st/ The only thing about the world I'm certain of, is that upward enlightenment is not going on. The world turned off it's brains to let someone else do the thinking......not good!
Just because some people don't read the Bible / Book of Mormon / Quran / whatever and just take whatever their preacher says at face value doesn't mean all do. A lot of paid clergy probably see this as a money making opportunity. If people that believed in the Bible actually read the first book of the New Testament they would completely ignore / stop going to a church that claims it knows when the end comes. Matt 24:36 "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." I am not swettin the 21st. It will just be another day. I can see some wacko going out and doing something that day just for the sake of it but other than that nothing else is going to happen.
Like I said earlier God has a plan. This is where I and other Christians would part ways saying that this was Gods will or whatever. I would say God has no part in it just like God doesn't have a part in a lot of bad things that happen. If God was real why should God he have stopped it? We have a nation that is more and more for allowing Gay marriage when God is clearly against that. The commandments are more like the 10 suggestions. If God were real why should he give a damn about a disobedient, lazy, and idolatrous people. Logically...If God were real do you think he would care about such a people? As a "crazy Christian" I sure as heck don't care to help a lot people that have no use in talking to me or when I do offer advice/help they simple ignore it, disregard it, etc. I just stop caring so "IF God were real" why should he be in a hurry to help a people that have no use in following him?
That is the same tired cop-out answer that people of faith always give, because they've got no sound reason or measurable evidence to offer. Let's be honest, had you not been raised in the church and someone had approached you as an adult with that story, you would have laughed them out of the room. But anyway, let's not derail this thread on that nonsense.
I don't know about you guys but I really can't stand when the media starts intertwining religion in events like these. Religion should be kept personal, it doesn't belong in media or politics. But then again I'm anti organized religion so what does my opinion matter?
Wow, haha. I am not going to continue arguing the existence of God with you on these forums. I can pretty much surmise that this is how it would go: I would say that you have no evidence that he doesn't exist and you will say that I have no evidence that he does exist. I could give personal experience but generally the answer by skeptics is that person experience is usually "coincidence". In regards to speculating whether or not whether I would believe in God if I had not grown up going to Church. I do not think you could easily come to a conclusion nor could I what my decision would be. That is a very large assumption which I don't think could be answered so simply.
OK, since this has spilled over into religion, a little joke to ease the tension: Jesus calls in Peter and Paul and tells them all the Apostles can take the night off. Peter asks him why. After hemming & hawing a little, Jesus admits that he has a hot date. Paul asks, "Lord, are you thinking you might get laid?" To which Jesus replies, "Yeah, I think my chances are pretty good, I hear this chick'll fuck anything that isn't nailed down."
