so you are against any kind of mediation then? Anything legal-related cannot be settled out of court?
Damnit mistawiskas didn't know you were a terrorist! Don't think the mosque will be built due to overwhelming resistance.
Right, and since this mosque/institute isn't advocating for Sharia law in the united states, how is your point pertinent here?
lawsuit #1 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38566993/ns/us_news/ I also have a suspision, that to allow this to happen (build it) it would embolden the negative radical side of Islam. They'd chalk it up to a victory and step up their attacks thinking they have dealt a death blow to the evil USofA.
Do you really not think that this constant us versus them mentality might be contributing to the problem? Your line of reasoning seems to rule out any form of compromise as being viable because you seem to equate it with weakness. Perhaps allowing this to go forward would instead embolden the vast majority of muslims to believe that both sides are working towards a reasonable solution and to marginalize their radical minority.
Can you blame people bbsmitz when they do things like call it "Cordoba House", in reference to Cordoba Spain, where the conquering Muslims built a mosque to stake their claim of Islamic dominance over the land.
I keep seeing that claim but only from people/sites against it. However: http://sheikyermami.com/2010/06/29/why-do-they-call-it-cordoba-mosque/ Although I cannot find a reference to who "In the west" makes that claim except by people who follow that sentence with "but thats not why THEY named it that"
This is a no win situation for the US, if it get's built terrorist can spin it as a victory for Islam. If it's not built it will be spun as a rallying cry as proof of western anti-Islamic policy.
It's not what I believe that may pose a threat. If, from what I've noticed, they think we are weak, then it is not going to be condusive to co-existence. I'm not talking all muslims here, just the militant radical ones that tend to creat all the chaos and death. The Jihadists. Let me ask this: why 600' from where the towers fell? Why not 1400'? Why in NYC at all? I have to question motives here. Equality and happy horseshit are great things, but let's get real. Cordoba?
You guys just don't like Muslims. You think they have a hidden agenda or there are people behind the scenes who are slowly trying to dupe the US to allow more terrorists in. It's ridiculous and unfounded.
[FONT="] I think the point of calling it Cordoba house was that Muslims and Christians lived in peace in Cordoba together (or religious peace at least) for a long time. This isn't England mate; the muslim population here is smaller, more integrated, and better educated. A lot of immigrants are professionals with degrees. I know that shit like this that is constructed over there can be a cover for fundamentalist activity/recruitment but this seems a lot more legit. [/FONT] And my point is that I think that the tightening of our ideals and the increasing of xenophobia is precisely what jihadists want you to do. In response to 9/11, we managed to turn the goodwill of the planet into pure vitriol directed back into our faces; don't you think our reaction furthered the jihadist agenda? This sort of reaction to the mosque seems to do precisely the same thing. Also, why do you build a house here and not there? Perhaps because you were able to procure the land for it, when land somewhere else wasn't available. And New York is a large central site; if they built this thing in bumblefuck New Jersey, what purpose would it serve?
Whatever floats yer boat. There seems to be an agenda reguardless. Just the location picked and the relatively short period of time shows a lack of concideration and I can't help believing that there's better alternatives for a location to build the center and push the outreach pitch. Is there an inkling that middle easterners think like westerners? I believe they do not. Personally, I have nothing against muslims, nor hindu, catholics, protestants or bhudists. Their religeon isn't even the issue here. What people who opose the location of the building are seeing, is a slap in the face solely based on the location. That location being the site of an act of savage events and a declaration by the perps that this act was in response to an islamic jihad. That is what sticks in my mind. I feel like if Muslims as a whole were that much against the terrorism, they'd police themselves. 9 years is too soon. Sure, we need to be tollerant, but let's be real: [video=youtube;2iGYVh7HZo8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iGYVh7HZo8[/video]
Heard this on NPR the other day which might shed some light on some peoples position with a similar example. http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...bate-will-leave-scars-adl-president-tells-npr
Like christians police themselves? Like jews police themselves? like aetheists police themselves? (yes I am throwing that in as a "religious group", they have the same thought process, they just don't realize it)
Western jews, athiests and christians are policed, yes. Perhaps not by themselves, but by the law enforcement. What I'm trying to say, is that if the rest of the Islam world is so down on terrorism, WTF don't they do something about it?
as I posted earlier: A lot of them do. You just don't hear about it that much because everyone would rather bitch about towelheads stealing our freedom
I have equal oportunity 'distrust'. I don't trust the media or anyone they report on. It's become a global society of the best liar having the power. Not only that, but the best illusion of power. [/curmudgeonistic tendencies ]
true Well, does a Muslim have a right to go to a teaparty convention and call into question the christian faith? Yes, he is garanteed that right in the constitution. Would it be smart and get his message acrost? No to both parts of that question.
yeah, but if he is stupid enough to do so, then go for it. Same thing with this - I think its a bad idea because there is so much drama surrounding it already, and i bet the place is going to get vandalized and/or burned down, but if they want to build it, they can
This is pretty much what i've been trying to say. People can claim that we shouldn't comprimise our constuitutional rights in order to block this or discourage it. "It's our way of life". But then again, it's our way of life and all that it takes to promote our way of life that got the ass-wipes pissed at us to begin with. People haven't forgotten and forgiven yet. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38615800/ns/us_news/
