Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Chris, Dec 15, 2008.
looks like I nice stand, but I won't be paying $350 after tax for it
the search continues.
Man that stinks.. I know it doesn't look too flashy, but it's one of the best ones we sell. We have the Pioneer Elites in front of the store on them.
You'll find a good one though, they're not too hard to get a good deal on.
Nearly all mass produced 8" "subwoofers" can hardly be called subwoofers. Most only go down to 35hz, and can't even do that with authority or clarity. They are more like "powered woofers" than an honest subwoofer. That 35hz is often at like -6db as well, so in terms of real output you only have sound at closer to 40hz. Not that mid 30's performance isn't enough for music, because in most cases it is, but your also not getting flat powerful sound down to the mid 30's with some $150 "subwoofer" from your local electronics store.
As for the part about woofer size.
It is not the size of a driver that tells how it will sound, it is the room, the driver, the cabinet, the amp, the settings, the subs location and more. Just about any size qualitysubwoofer can sound good when properly setup in nearly any room.
I may just skip a subwoofer all together and go for 2 floorstandings on the sides and a center channel. My room is right next to my Moms unfortunately
I ordered some new "PC Speakers". The sale at AV123 was too good to pass up. I'm planning on adding a sub later, maybe a BIC H-100.
AV123 ELT525M Mini Monitors and a Tweak City Audio Gizmo amp.
Here's more info on the Gizmo amp:
Tweak City Audio - Gizmo V1.0
Some pics (not mine) of this setup:
Gizmo & ELT525M Arrival - Tweak City Audio
Great setup. I looked at the ELT 5 channel package they had before x-mas, but I just couldn't drop that money even though it was an amazing deal. The H-100 is just about gone now, and all the way to $279, are you going to get it pretty soon, or are you looking at the PA-120 or VK-12?
Oh, I wasn't aware that the H-100's were about gone. I'll have to start looking for something else then. It will be probably end up being next month at the earliest so I have some time to look around. Any suggestions?
Well they are still around, but the price has gone way up. A few months back, they were for sale on a number of auctions, for like $249 on Make An Offer, and they often would accept like $220 shipped. Now there is only one or two auctions for it and it is up to $279 on Buy It Now only, which kind of takes away some of the value. The "New" H-100 is the VK-12, which does seem to be an improved one, but it's all the way at $329 or something, and few people have bought it yet to report back. I'd say the Premiere Acoustic PA-120 is the way to go, for $229.
Here is a thread on it: Premier Acoustic PA-120 - AVS Forum
I'm sure it will be way more subwoofer than you will ever need for your computer
I'm going to have to disagree, not all 8 sub's are crap, Boston acoustics has and still produces great sounding ones which I have heard myself. You won't find them at your local electronics store for $150. its easier for a bigger speaker to sound better, but its not impossible for small speakers to sound great.
well.. yes.... and no. lets say your living room is only 12x12 and your neighbor's house is 10 feet from yours like my house is. its going to be more appropriate and cheaper to run a smaller sub, its as simple as that.
why would I run a 15' in that circumstance? its way over kill, and would be way to boomy in my situation if I'm going to give it the proper amount of power a good 15' sub should be given to drive it. if you under power it its worthless. Some of the speaker brands I like do not even product a 15' HT sub. its way to much in most cases.
different sizes of subs will reactive differently, if you listen to the same model of sub in 8, 10, 12, 15. they do not all sound identical. different environments call for different speakers, bigger is not always better.
I wouldn't even bother unless your mom is pretty forgiving, its hard to say without trying really, maybe borrow something small and test it, but I'd guess your probably best putting the money towards some nicer tower speakers that have good bass response.
We'll see what money allows. I have a pretty incredible Klipsch accommodation through my job. I think I can get these (RF-10 --- Floorstanding Stereo Speaker - Klipsch Reference Series) for like 90 bucks each right through Klipsch.. I have to look at the accommodation form.
Right now, looking at the Pioneer VSX 1018, with two Klipsch RF-10's and a decent Klipsch center channel.
Man, that's a freaking good deal. How are you getting that price?
And how much can you get the RF-82s for?
I think most of their mid-range stuff is super cheap through my work accommodation. I had the PDF printed out, I'll see if I can track it down.
The Sub-12 Synergy sub was $190, I believe. When I free up some debt I'm gonna submit an order to them.. I just have to print the PDF and fax them my order with my latest paystub and they'll send me shit.
You should take advantage of those deals while you can.
The RF-10s are a great start, get a way better center channel than you need, than at a later date you can get some even more serious mains, moving the RF-10s to the rear. That would give you a pretty kick ass 5 channel stereo for a great price.
Hmm. I might go with the AV123 X-Sub. Even though its discontinued it seems like they have a few in stock if you call them.
Another good option, I really don't understand why it's not for sale anymore.
They have been claiming the x-plosive is coming out soon for like a year now
Like most AV123 products. I think they are way too quick to announce things. Better to get everything sorted out first rather than disappoint when so many products fail to materialize.
My home theater setup has changed quite a bit since my last posting. The 50" was returned -- big thanks to my friend and his pickup truck! The contrast ratio on the 50" and the fact that it couldn't handle VC-1 encoded Blu-Rays via PS3 without flickering VERY BAD was such a deal breaker. It's sad, because besides that it was an excellent TV.
I've since purchased a Panasonic TH-42PZ85U. 1080p, 3x the contrast ratio of the 50". This one is an absolute keeper. Plus, it doesn't consume my entire room which was a major plus.
Tonight I purchased the Sony HT-CT100. It's a soundbar, subwoofer/receiver combo that is stunning. The sound this thing puts out was worth every single penny. I decided piecing together my entire surround setup would be way too expensive, even at employee discount. The subwoofer is very punchy and shakes the house enough to piss my Mom off, which is always a plus. The Dark Knight on Blu-Ray decoded in Dolby TrueHD is beyond words. GET THIS THING.
Notice the soundbar on the bottom of the TV.
Yep, the subwoofer is also the receiver. 3 HDMI-in in the back, one out.
LOST coming back on next week!
so how important is a center?
right now I've got my two towers, and a shitty little HTIB speaker as my center. seems I only get voice from the center, so its not a big deal.
of course separation in the front is a problem, since I'm in an apartment and my LR speakers are only maybe 4 feet apart.
should I focus on getting a better center, or a better set of tower LR?
I know my towers aren't great, but they really add alot to my bass I believe. I'm afraid of getting a skinny set of towers and losing some of my bass.
The center channel is exactly what you said it's for, dialogue/voices. I'd definitely recommend keeping it in your setup. To me the center channel is one of the most important pieces of any multi-speaker system.
Get a better center and you'll see why it's essential to your setup, IMO. From there, get a decent set of floorstanders that can put out good lows. In some setups, the need for a subwoofer is negated by having good floorstanders.
I'm getting this on Sunday.
15" HOME THEATER SUBWOOFER - SUBWOOFERS - Cadence Acoustics, LTD
Aw Chris, you got a little toy sound system If you think that is impressive the Klipsch you were looking at would have really floored you.
Jackalope, what are the speakers you have right now? Here is a good thread on the subject, that way I don't have to type it all myself
How important is the center channel? - AVS Forum
But if your speakers are only 4 feet apart, a center isn't going to improve much, and a shitty center is more likely to hurt the sound quality.
To be honest, this thing SHAKES my fucking room. It's ridicuLOUD. Plus, it decodes all the HD codecs and sounds really crisp and full. If I really had the money at my disposal I probably would've gotten the 3.1 setup I was originally gonna get, but I'm glad I "settled" for this. Anything more would've just pissed my Mom off even more.
The major selling point on this was the amount of rave reviews it got. Even audiophiles are loving this thing. Looks sleek, too.
It's just enough for a bedroom environment. My room is 12x9.
Sony HT-CT100 Home Theater System reviews - CNET Reviews
No offense, but any "audiophile" who is loving a cheap little Sony box probably has no idea what good sound is
Oh, true. It's not a real surround setup.
true but it is better than what I got (which is nothing )!
i think instead of you all spending your money on your audio and video equipment, you should help out your fellow man and get me out of debt (i kid of course...)
on a more serious note, you guys have some nice setups (like i'd even know a bad one vs a good one). and Lost ftw. I can't wait until it's back. It's my favorite show of all time.
Don't get me wrong, I'm happy you like it, I'm just saying be honest about what it is: 3 2.8" full range drivers and a 6.5" woofer by Sony for $300.
The truth is I'm just trying to convert everyone to good sound systems, I'm an audio missionary