Older hardware sources?

Discussion in 'Tech' started by mullet1, Dec 13, 2013.

  1. mullet1

    mullet1 Junior Member

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    so, long story short, the southbridge on the desktop has been flaking out for a while now... random BSODs/freezing/LOTS of firefox crashes(usually followed by freezing/BSOD). anyways, it seems like the inability to correctly read and write to the hard drive can cause problems, who knew?

    both the SATA and PATA drive seem to have issues, but only in certain scenarios. say, a 17GB file downloaded via bittorrent and one or two blocks tend to fail checksum after a recheck of all data, so then they get downloaded again, apparently all is well, until a recheck is done, then sometimes the same pieces that were just replaced are bad again, along with random other bad pieces..... but if i download the same files on my laptop, then send them over to the desktop via a flash drive or ethernet, they tend to be written correctly to the drive.

    i'm considering throwing my laptop hard drive in it for a little while just to be 100% certain it isn't either of my desktop drives causing the issue.

    i've baked the board once at ~385 for 8 minutes, though i'm not so certain it has done anything good or bad. i may need to try pumping some flux underneath the southbridge if i do it again.

    so, assuming i can never get this board working 100% again, where all can i locate some late 2008/early 2009 equipment? with the closure of geeks, the reilable source i used to know for non-cutting edge tech has dried up. ebay has some interesting boards at times, including some questionable refurbs coming from china, though being ebay, i still don't know to trust any of them. i imagine amazon might have some hits.



    so, for the specifics: currently running a biostar TA780GM2+ board, which is an AM2+ 780G/SB700 setup. the integrated video is kind of a plus for the moment, but main needs are that i have 8GB(4X 2GB) of DDR800 and a phenom X4 9500 that need to be reused. other stuff is secondary and minimally used in this build. at most 2 SATA ports are used, one PCIe x1 port is used, one PATA drive...... just not a whole lot going on in terms of used capacity.

    from the looks of it, if i'm stuck with integrated graphics for a while(and i don't want to step down further than the HD3200 this board has), i'm only really able to use 780E/G, 785E/G, and the 790GX based boards.



    so, is there anywhere else i should be looking? having very specific hardware requirements for some now 5-year old tech isn't looking fun at all.




    some ebay links i have open ATM:
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/GIGABYTE-GA...322295297?pt=Motherboards&hash=item3f2c11ac01
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/GIGABYTE-GA...207678770?pt=Motherboards&hash=item417948a732
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gigabyte-GA...210570935?pt=Motherboards&hash=item417974c8b7
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gigabyte-Te...223845632?pt=Motherboards&hash=item417a3f5700

    why they're all gigabyte boards, i'll never know, but they seem quite popular.
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  2. Commissar Smersh

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    You've looked locally? Friend of mine runs a user computer, computer repair and pawn shop and while the older parts he gets aren't new, they are functional. You can also throw up a wanted add on Craiglist in and around your city. You'd be amazed at the random things people have lying around.
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    in this area..... there are basically two crowds, you have the typical "buy everything new right now" guys who have sold off anything relevant to me years ago and then you have the people who are still running P4s...... there doesn't seem to be anything in-between.
  4. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    Shmersh shared what my first course of action would be (now that geeks is zed). Craigslist!
    You'd be surprised how many people read the WTB threads. Chances are that anyone that might have that hardware
    may see your post. At least a better chance than finding what you need at retail establishments that mainly want to make a buck
    by selling the latest greatest stuff.
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    hmm..... perhaps that will be my only other option... i wonder how much biostar would charge to repair it? going off of reviews on newegg, seems it is a VERY common problem with this board starting in 2010. still worked great for me until early this year, then all of the ports seemed to go crazy pretty quickly afterwards. got a few weeks or a month of reliable operation out of a port after that.

    craigslist...... well, i tend to assume everyone is an idiot until they prove otherwise. with craigslist, you interact with someone maybe once or twice, which isn't enough time for me to comfortably make up my mind about them. that bothers me far more than the incredible amount of spam/scams i receive.

    after my wife is done editing some photos, i'll put the laptop drive in it and see what happens. i don't think the risk of data loss will be very high considering what little has been lost on the desktop drives in the nearly a year that it has been operating like this.
  6. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    Another thing about older hardware, is that they are being mined heavily for the metals contained inside them.
    The older the hardware, the more gold, platinum and silver they contain. There is a major consequence to planned obsolescence.
    The industry won't/can't survive by selling obsolete hardware. Desktop PC's are becoming totally obsolete.

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    this still happens/happened? i thought the industry largely moved away from precious metals by the late 90s?

    and $80 for that...... probably isn't bad at all. most of it could be resold pretty easily and recoup most, if not all of the cost.

    i guess i'll just have to be VERY specific in the ad description.
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    huh...... never seen that subreddit before. quite active, too.

    http://www.reddit.com/r/hardwareswap/comments/1q2nu0/usacahmotherboards_amd_cpus_ramwpaypalgoogle/

    one link from a month ago with what looks like a MB that would work for my purposes for $40 shipped? tough to beat.

    i've been searching locally on craigslist every day and still 90% dell P4 workstations and laptops....

    an 8800GT....... is right under where i want to jump to when i do stick a graphic card in..... by all means, it beats the hell out of the HD3200, but i've been looking at ~7770/similarly powerful cards a lot.
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    and now i'm definitely going to have to find a replacement board..... threw it in the oven with flux underneath the southbridge to try and reflow it, now it won't power up at all. the coil whine from the power supply sounded normal at first, then ~15 seconds later, tone changed slowly to what it is now. measured voltage on the ATX turn-on signal wire, goes from ~4.8 to a little over 5.0 when the button is pressed, but no reaction from the rest of the machine. some caps are bulging now too.
  11. mistawiskas

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    Not fried....Baked!
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    Glad you found something that'll work.
    mullet1 says thanks for this.
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    it will allow the photoshop machine to live on, which occasionally makes money for us, so it is kind of an investment.

    can't believe only one board came up on reddit(from canada, at that) and nothing locally.
  15. Commissar Smersh

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    I dont think redditors are the tech hoarding type
  16. Goofus Maximus

    Goofus Maximus Too old to be this dumb!

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    The bulging caps are the clue; your capacitors have reached the end of their lives, being old-style electrolytic caps. My Biostar Socket-A mobo is older than yours, but I think the manufacturers used cheaper components to control costs as time went on, and there have been many problems with electrolytic caps in their later years of use. Nowadays I think they've totally switched to solid caps because of that.
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    they weren't bulging until i baked the board a second time..... that could be why it doesn't power on now, but i have no idea if it contributed to the wonkiness before baking the board.

    of the 4 boards i was considering, two were entirely solid-cap, two had them in basically only the CPU power phasing section. 2008-2010 vintage for those. i ended up with one that wasn't fully solid, though i'm going to catalog the caps that are present before installing to get an idea of how much it will cost me to just replace all of the electrolytics when i have time.