OK...Go because I need an explanation.

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Tacdriver, Aug 14, 2010.

  1. Goofus Maximus

    Goofus Maximus Too old to be this dumb!

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    Let's just say I don't agree with the way you laid out those facts, and that things are just a tad more complex than that. :)
  2. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    I just view the inner cities kinda like Vatican City. At least in my world they're a separate society within a society. They're welcome to join us, live like us, with us. I just don't want to fund their way of life. What you refer to as rationing of the health care system I view as keeping the money where it was made and where it belongs. If the roles were reversed and I were living out in here in the burbs the way they live in the cities I wouldn't expect them to fund my activities in any way.
  3. Tacdriver

    Tacdriver Junior Member

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    I'm so saving this quote.
  4. Goofus Maximus

    Goofus Maximus Too old to be this dumb!

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    Things are just a tad more complex than that, but we're just not going to agree on this one. Having seen one of our customers from East St. Louis try to get out, and ending up getting swallowed in debt and losing contact instead, I really do think it's more than just "choosing" to get out. This doesn't even count the fact that once they get "out", they are in a totally alien environment, almost as if they moved to a foreign country...
  5. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    Oh sure, it's complex. And it's an ideological thing, conservative or liberal. But even the concept of getting "out" isn't really necessary. Why not stay "in" and make their communities better? One man couldn't do it, but with almost no resources at all they could at least keep their sidewalks clean and their homes painted / roofed. Elbow grease and hard work.

    There's a lot of ranting around here about the Latino immigrant communities, but at least around me they are clean and orderly, and I wouldn't hesitate to walk amongst them. Some illegals live in the trailer across from my mom and it's not much, but the grass is cut and the exterior painted, and on top of that they are community minded and help their neighbors. They have less resources and familiarity than the black community does by a long shot, and in less time look what they have achieved?
  6. ninefivezero

    ninefivezero infinite resolution

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    Oh I know that chart is imperfect, I didn't claim it was. I also wish it cited its sources, but alas, it doesn't. However, the point still stands that America is not number 1 in so many measures, in fact in some we are downright pitiful. To claim we are some perfect nation and everyone else is some kind of backwards retards is well, retarded.

    I've mentioned it once or twice MSP, but you need to read (or listen to) http://www.amazon.com/There-Are-No-Children-Here/dp/0385265565 about what life in the ghetto can be like (and the way they are treated by whites in charge), because that was some hateful, racist-ass bullshit you just spewed.

    (and no, you are not an expert because you lived in the ghetto till you were 7 or something)

    (and no, I'm not an expert either, you just don't seem to have a clue about the historical events that lead to the current situation many blacks are in. Did they enslave themselves? Did they choose to be denied jobs? Did they choose to be denied the ability to vote? To go to decent schools? Did they choose to live under Jim Crow laws? Did they choose to suffer police brutality? Did they choose to live under redlining? Did they choose to be denied home loans from the government after WWII? All these structures have had an effect, a huge one. Yes, there are problems in the black community, but many of them are ones those in charge created as a mater of policy (especially economic policy). Get off your high horse and stop pretending none of these historical FACTS didn't happen, and that those lazy ******s just need to work harder. People are products of their environment, and it was the "our" white culture that built that environment. Racism is alive and well, and you just proved it once again.).

    Now it's your turn to insult me, right? About how I'm just some liberal white kid who doesn't have any experience in the real world? Right? That is your line, isn't it?

    Someone call tac over, I hate america or something.

    *sigh*

    Carry on folks, nothing to see here :p
  7. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    There was nothing racist or hateful about what I wrote. The ghetto has folks of every color living there, including me as a child as you eluded to.

    EDIT: Seriously, I actually re-read what I wrote and would appreciate you pointing exactly what I said that was hateful.
  8. ninefivezero

    ninefivezero infinite resolution

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    MSP, the only reason I keep going after you on this issue is because I think you are a generally a rational and intelligent person. This is an area where you are seriously misinformed and could benefit from a little information and historical background.

    (more later, I'm in the middle or some other things right now)
  9. Tacdriver

    Tacdriver Junior Member

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    I am laughing so hard right now. I actually called a buddy of mine and read aloud the last few posts.
  10. HEAVY-D

    HEAVY-D Eh?!

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    I didn't find anything offensive about what he wrote as long as he doesn't put all black communities into the ghetto's. I grew up in a poor black neighborhood I guess you could call it a ghetto but it wasn't as MSP described. It wasn't trashy and we kept up our lawns, maintained our homes and cars. We had dirt road covered with white sea shells for roads while the surrounding white communities had paved roads. We weren't segregated by choice because white people wouldn't sell homes in white neighborhoods to blacks. Black communities were always put in shitty places like flood plains or where the land was terrible. You ever hear of coffee ground? That's land with a fire burning underground. We had plenty of vacant lots where houses couldn't be built because of this and some lost their homes by these fires.

    Once segregation was over and we started to move a lot I lived in white, black and latino communities. Some were nice and others were trashed. I saw the same thing in all of them the good with the bad.
  11. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    Good point. The actions of the local governments play a big part of why some neighborhoods are trashy and others are not. I've seen some white neighborhoods and even had to clean up some horrible horrible squalor left by the trashiest people I've ever witnessed. They were white. And not welfare white. They were also working white. It was called the
    low rent district. Lots of western towns have them. All white and the trashiest waste of humanity you could run acrost. "Ghetto" is an inner city word. Out here in the stix we have them too but they're called something else or just ignored.
    The catalyst I've seen repeated over and over again is called "dispair". Disparity brought on by things like depression, overwhelming difficulties, mental disorders, alcoholism/drug addiction as well as lazyness. Cities seem to push all the cases aside into one area (District 9). In the country, it's more spread out. Bottom line, is that when there's nothing to care about, people, reguardless of race, revert back to living like animals.
  12. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    And for the record, I actually lived in the hood another 4-5 years off and on from the age of 7 to 22. And have spent more years on the periphery. My first friends were black, I have black friends today. I don't think I'm as misinformed as you believe. We just disagree on the subject. I don't consider myself an expert on the topic by any means, but I've got a decent amount of life experience in and around the inner cities. Torx is another example of someone with such experiences. It's just kinda funny getting "informed" by you given your experience. Not trying to ridicule or make fun at all, but every time you go into these discussions I imagine a man trying to educate Jane Goodall about gorillas because he read a book about them.
  13. JasonusMaximus

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    I've said this before, this government has two responsibilities; provide everyone (black, white, brown, whatever) the OPPORTUNITY to be successful, not provide success. Protect that OPPORTUNITY from any and all threats, both foreign and domestic.

    Everything else that this government provides is cake...or shit, depending on your view.

    Being from Texas, I was raised to rely on myself first, my family second, and the government not at all, unless some foreign invader shows up and needs a swift ass kickin' by the greatest military the world has ever seen.

    In my opinion, the government has gotten too big and has taken too much power from the States. If Rick Perry (or any future Texas governor) put out the call for Succession, I'd be front and center. The States were supposed to manage themselves, and if you didn't like the way things were going in your State, then you could look around for one that was more to your liking and move.

    Don't get me wrong, I love America. But individual and States rights, and Texas pride, run deep down here. Something most people not from here find hard to understand.

    MSP and 950: Your both right. Certain things were and are engineered to keep people in the ghetto, and certain people do work hard and escape, and certain people do work hard and stay and effect great change.

    No system of government currently is, ever will be, nor can be, perfect.
    The problem with this country is that a vast majority of people have decided to stop being accommodating. Everyone wants things their way and their way only.
    Stop the rhetoric, sit down over a beer, take the time to get to know one another, and you'll find that on 90% of any issue you agree and that the other 10% ain't that big of a deal, and you'll both end up wanting to accommodate each other...you'll find middle ground.

    And in the end, that is what America is supposed to be, all of us finding the middle ground.
  14. ivanolo

    ivanolo Guest

    What's funny?

    You guys make some good points. To deny that certain groups of people have been discriminated against would be foolish. But when do you stop using that as an excuse to justify your lack of achievements in life when other people who have been in exactly the same situation have achieved so much more? Some people work hard and beat the system, others get lucky. Some people fall through the cracks, others never even try to climb out.

    As for ghettos... some of them are inhabited by white trash and are nowhere near a major metropolitan area. If you ever get the chance, stop by Virden, IL. :eek:
  15. ninefivezero

    ninefivezero infinite resolution

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    I guess you just have a funny way of expressing it ;)

    *chills out, has a rainier*
  16. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    I know where your cat got the razor :-k lol

    What some can't understand, is that opportunity is dependent on income and blind luck. The lower your income, the less opportunities come your way and the less resources you have to go out and look for them. A person can point to one of the people that got lucky and found their way out of the ghetto life. But for every one that lucked out and caught the opportunity, there are millions that, for one reason or another, have what few opportunities there are, slip through their fingers.
  17. Cr@cKpiPe tE@sEr noOb!

    Cr@cKpiPe tE@sEr noOb! Not Just Handsome

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    I thought this was funny and kind of fitting to the thread. /steps away

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  18. Goofus Maximus

    Goofus Maximus Too old to be this dumb!

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    Those sneaky canadians had it coming! The elite units, the Canadian Mounted Police, are doubtless harboring TERRORISTS! Actually shouldn't it be rogue Mexicans? We'd play the part of Pakistan. ;)