Obama pledges greater safeguards for intelligence

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  1. JZL

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    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-nsa-20140118,0,2744175.story#axzz2qfHxHXOu

    Under Obama's plan, the NSA will still have broad authority to intercept email and other Internet communications overseas, even when its dragnet pulls in the communications of Americans who are corresponding with foreigners. Intelligence officials say this power, much more than the telephone database, has been key to counter-terrorism investigations.

    He proposed more significant changes for the program that has generated the most public controversy: the government's database on nearly all telephone calls in the U.S., which shows when calls took place and which numbers are connected to which other numbers.

    Under Obama's plan, the government would no longer hold the database, but he left undecided who would. Telephone companies have resisted taking on the cost and liability of holding the data themselves, and some prominent members of Congress say that having a private party involved would increase the risk of leaks and other problems.

    Obama gave the Justice Department and the director of national intelligence until March 28 to decide who would hold the data. He left unanswered the question of whether the government would continue to collect the data if no solution were found. Officials said that issue had not yet been decided.

    In a related decision, Obama surprised some intelligence officials by directing that for now, they must seek a judge's approval before mining the voluminous cache of records.

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    For further edification: http://www.wnyc.org/story/running-list-what-we-know-nsa-can-do-so-far/

    • It can track the numbers of both parties on a phone call, as well location, time and duration. (More)
    • It can hack Chinese phones and text messages. (More)
    • It can set up fake internet cafes. (More)
    • It can spy on foreign leaders' cell phones. (More)
    • It can tap underwater fiber-optic cables. (More)
    • It can track communication within media organizations like Al Jazeera. (More)
    • It can hack into the UN video conferencing system. (More)
    • It can track bank transactions. (More)
    • It can monitor text messages. (More)
    • It can access your email, chat, and web browsing history. (More)
    • It can map your social networks. (More)
    • It can access your smartphone app data. (More)
    • It is trying to get into secret networks like Tor, diverting users to less secure channels. (More)
    • It can go undercover within embassies to have closer access to foreign networks. (More)
    • It can set up listening posts on the roofs of buildings to monitor communications in a city. (More)
    • It can set up a fake LinkedIn. (More)
    • It can track the reservations at upscale hotels. (More)
    • It can intercept the talking points for Ban Ki-moon’s meeting with Obama. (More)
    • It can crack cellphone encryption codes. (More)
    • It can hack computers that aren’t connected to the internet using radio waves. (More)
    • It can intercept phone calls by setting up fake base stations. (More)
    • It can remotely access a computer by setting up a fake wireless connection. (More)
    • It can install fake SIM cards to then control a cell phone. (More)
    • It can fake a USB thumb drive that's actually a monitoring device. (More)
    • It can crack all types of sophisticated computer encryption. (Update: It is trying to build this capability.) (More)
    • It can go into online games and monitor communication. (More)
    • It can intercept communications between aircraft and airports. (More)
    • (Update) It can physically intercept deliveries, open packages, and make changes to devices. (More) (h/t)





  3. mistawiskas

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    Basically the only thing that changed are a few words. That guy is just throwing the public a token bone. We all know that the storage will transfer from NSA's control (not location) to private guv contractors.
    I was listening to part of his spewum while doing a job and all I heard was political bullshit as usual. For example, did he say anything at all about "Dishfire" or the storage of text messages? Nope.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/hundreds-millions-texts-snooped-daily-nsa-latest-leak-2D11943973
    They aren't going to cut loose of any portion of that program regardless what they say. It's the goose that laid the golden egg.
    Domestic spying as well as global spying is the main goal. Fighting terrorism is only the sales ploy to gain manufactured consent from us.
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  4. Goofus Maximus

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    The only substantial changes from this will be the nameplates on the doors of the NSA.
  5. JZL

    JZL Ministry of Wack

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    Nothing about Snowden.
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    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    They're hoping people will forget Snowden and pay attention to the sales pitch.
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    So basically it can know the habits and full conversations of everyone using a computer or phone today. Perfect.

    Well I guess that should help fight terrorism so who needs privacy anyway.

    ALSO ... In before headlines "NSA databases hacked / leaked giving public access to all text messages and browsing records for everyone on earth"
  8. JZL

    JZL Ministry of Wack

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    We tend to forget about the "papers and effects" language. . .

    "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
    Of course the big loophole for the government has always been that it inevitably gets to define what's "unreasonable" or even if its observations constitute "searches."

    My personal favorite:
  9. mistawiskas

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    The only way out is to totally unplug. Our electronic addiction is our cage.
    And now smart TV's, watches, refrigerators and yes....even plumbing fixtures.
    A large percent of computers get intercepted by our own government to receive their "enhancements"
    before release into the system. What's that say about the capabilities of their country of origin namely China?
    It's time now, to prepare for unintended consequences.
    BTW all (even T3D) social media is in a special watch category that is a lot higher priority than phone traffic.
  10. mistawiskas

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    "greetings Starfighter"

    TLSF.jpg

    Does anyone ever wonder if there is a monitoring element to video games?
    I mean, what better way to get a feel for what kind of person and what skill level in tactical ability
    could there be? A Db of every gamer with profiles including temperament, psyche, sneakiness, leadership abilities, etc.
    would be a handy tool for any side when the SHTF. IE: Think twice before you kick that fragged enemy. It
    may red flag your file and come back to bite you in the ass. ;) Anyone think this is paranoia?
    there was a time not long ago, when that's what was believed about every revelation that
    the snowman revealed. The implications as to where this technology is headed can scare the begeezus out of a person.
  11. JZL

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    I was trying to find the thread on here about the XboxOne that told the guy to chill and banned him from the server, etc. etc.

    Starfighter reference-- I realize you're not joking but that's still hilarious.
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  13. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    "Obama pledges" might be the funniest and ironic short sentence in the history of the world. Ranks right up there with "Ron Jeremy abstains" or "Cheech and Chong's sobriety".
    ShabazKillaX says thanks for this.
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    If feinstein backs that accuser....it's gotta be bullshit.
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    Yeah, my BS antennae were quaking even before I got to the paragraph that mentioned her. Ya gotta love the timing, eh?
  18. mistawiskas

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    I mean, what else is a government supposed to do? When public sentiment starts to go the opposite direction than is desired, you vilify someone!
    This current ploy is designed to turn the Snoman into a spy as opposed to a whistleblower. It's politics as usual.
    Besides what could the Snoman tell Rusky that they don't already do to their own?
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    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2014/01/snowden-calls-russian-spy-story-absurd.html

    If he was a Russian spy, Snowden asked, “Why Hong Kong?” And why, then, was he “stuck in the airport forever” when he reached Moscow? (He spent forty days in the transit zone of Sheremetyevo International Airport.) “Spies get treated better than that.”

    In the nine months since Snowden first surfaced, there has been intense speculation about his motives and methods. But “a senior F.B.I. official said on Sunday that it was still the bureau’s conclusion that Mr. Snowden acted alone,” the New York Times reported this weekend, adding that the agency has not publicly revealed any evidence that he was working in conjunction with any foreign intelligence agency or government. The issue is key to shaping the public’s perceptions of Snowden. . .

    Asked today to elaborate on his reasons for alleging that Snowden “had help,” Congressman Rogers, through a press aide, declined to comment.

    :p:rolleyes::p
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    Obama may as well be saying:
    "I promise not to cum in your mouth"
    or:
    "yeah.......the check's in the mail"
  23. Goofus Maximus

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  24. mistawiskas

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    Compromise deal, but privacy is still zilch: http://news.msn.com/us/us-internet-firms-reach-compromise-on-spying-data

    It'll be interesting how/if it gets spun in tonight's SOUA. IMHO: All that's going to ooze out of Obama's mouth is just campaigning and sales tactics to get people to buy something they really don't want to buy. Oh yeah, and a token bone or two.