I think you looking at that kind of thing too linearly. You know how diverse the world is and this country is the same way. There are alot of people who believe in giving second,third or even fourth chances. I am sure you can laugh on them saying they not too smart but they are who they are. People who are very forgiving and of kind nature usually try not to isolate any one by putting them in some group. They believe people are capable of being good regardless of there past. Its ok to disagree with them but its not ok to disrespect them in any way, in my humble opinion. Every one has learn from there life and its meaningful to them. As such is should be respected.
I was rather apauled when i revisited this thread tonight, at how hostile it has gotten since this AM. "Radicle" is a word that comes to mind. Opinions based on nothing but pre-election mud slinging are not a great excuse for anything, let alone attacks. IMHO. get a grip and realize that the late BOZO the clown could be elected and not a freaking thing will be different. We do not control the guv, the electeds do not control the guv. The dollar does. Hurting people .......bad, copping a nut.....good, simple as that!
it's RADICAL you moe-ron I'm sorry whiskas I was just playing along with how ridiculous the attacks have gotten in this thread Where's the love?
That picture of Ayers is truly disgusting, myself, I've had one close friend and two Air Force supervisors die for that flag and for any young American to be influenced by him troubles me. Standing all day in the rain with a sign in front of the White House protesting the war and calling President Bush and idiot tells me you love your country. Having your picture taken standing on the American Flag tells me you hate my country. If that flag means absolutely nothing to you then maybe you don't deserve to vote. Maybe that is the real problem at hand.
no disrespect to your friends. and I mean that in all seriousness. the flag is just a symbol. Symbols can mean anything to some, and everything to others. Some people understand what it means, others see it as a way to get a message across that would normally fall on deaf ears. For example, some see the flag being flown upside down as a sign of disrespect, others see it as a distress signal. same with using burning as a form of protest. I understand the respect with which a flag should be treated, but in this day of feeling helpless, I can understand the desperation that would make this guy take this picture, and it's signs of disrespect to get his message across. maybe he feels our current situation calls for something more extreme than a simple flag upside down? maybe I drank too much beer and my post should be ignored?
Your right on mark. Everyone has their own understanding of what the flag means. It was a symbol to me until I saw it draped on my friend's coffin and now I can't even have a few beers and go to a Hawaii football game without getting teary eyed during the National Anthem. Without stealing this thread any further, it may be a symbol to some of you but it represents much more to others so let's just agree it's not just a piece of cloth, at the very least it represents the United States whoever is the President.
I was more hoping to find some middle ground Same can problably be said for Jub. Oh, and did anyone else find it odd that this topic wasn't brought up during the last debate? I figured at least one person would ask, or that McCain would bring it up.
Yep. There are just some things that come off as stupid publicity stunts, and this is one of them. When I see a picture like that, it automatically makes me think that the person is an attention whore and should be ignored.
people get too stressed out and overworked over some dumb shit they cant control. let the man get his message out there, theres worse going on in the world than this guy standing on the american flag.. pfftt.. if he doesnt like it, move onto another country or kill yourself two times "USA! USA! USA! Jesus guide my bullleeettss!!"
There is one concept that is proof against all understanding, bars growth, and is guaranteed to keep a person in everlasting ignorance. that concept is 'contempt prior to investigation'. politics thrives on this concept, not for thier own use, but to sway votes. Politics has gotten so petty, so dirty, because it works to get and change votes. If a person gets tired of the crappy mudslinging and dirty tricks, they need to realize that it works because we let it work. While that picture is vile and a show of disrespect, it is used to sway votes. a smokescreen if you will. Do I want the election won by the dirtiest fighter, or do I want the ( and I use this word very grudgingly) best person for the job? The sad tghing? If a picture of palin taking a crap were to be circulated, it'd sway votes. If a picture of McC throwing a gum wtrapper on the ground were released, it'd sway votes. MSP, Krod, and Tac have every right to be offended by that picture and what it represents. That is not something I dispute. The picture was released to create an emotional shock when it was made and is being used now to create an even bigger shock to sway votes. It's only purpose is to piss people off and get votes. I you guys want to buy into the shock manipulation, that's your perogative. Just be honest enough to admit that it's dirty campaign manipulation that has no bearing on the ability of the candidate of the hosting party to pull this country out of the shitter. Oh yeah, that's right, some people don't believe this country is in the shitter....I must be a "moron".
It's just that these "debates" are good imo, but when they cross a line, the whole shootin' match runs the risk of being locked, so it's counter productive. I know I have moronic capabilities, everyone does. but it creates no change in my behavior when called a retard or moron. Change only comes when I figure out for myself that a moron-able task or belief has been incorporated into my journey. being called one only delays the realization that an act of stupidity has taken place.
