Not a Fox News Story

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Tacdriver, Oct 7, 2008.

  1. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    OK, so what did he do that should outrage me? And what's his connection to McCain? Did be blow anything up or have his photo taken stepping on the US flag?
  2. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    Community Reinvestment Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    There are alot of other more destructive ways to "step on the American Flag" and far more damaging ways to blow things up without explosives.

    There is no need to defend republicans or democrats in any matters of consequence with me. I think thet are all guilty equally. I'm neither a republican or democrat. I believe that any defense of the inexcusable, is a waste of time and effort. IMHO: ALL political actions are motivated by greed, power lust and alterior motives. there are no "Mr. Smith Goes To Washington" 's ever happened or ever will happen. if anyone believes that one party is less implicated than the other, study how a bill evolves and what happens to the original principal before it ever makes it to house or senate votes. Rider (legislation) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Aslo, IMHO: The only real reason a "good" bill is written to start this prosccess, is so there is a sufficient "scaffold" to hang riders on.
  3. Goofus Maximus

    Goofus Maximus Too old to be this dumb!

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    He blew things up, though he didn't blow people up. Nobody really knows if the San Fransisco bombing was even weathermen related. New York is where the branch of the weathermen who didn't care about people dying, operated. They of course managed to blow themselves up while making bombs. Good riddance. The rest of them were careful to avoid hurting people. Ayers left the weathermen before they turned into bank robbers.

    With regards to economic culpability, Mr Whiskas is right on, both sides of the isle are tied at the hip to their wealthy corporate contributors, who, as Zeitgeist mentions, pretty much run things by lobbyist remote-control.
  4. mistawiskas

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    This, my friends, is the problem! now what's the sollution?
    Do we now know why there was such a push for a "global economy"? this is not just an american problem. it has effected the globe in an adverse way. just lok at all the crashes. I think part of the sollution would be for unanimous international pressure be brought to bear upon our corrupt legislative branch.
  5. MSP

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    So we should find comfort in the fact that the anti-government militant organization that he founded only killed some people by accident, or did so after he left? That makes is all better... :roll:
  6. mistawiskas

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    dead is dead, no matter the cause.
    How many suicides and homicides are attributed to people going off the edge due to loosing everything. I get your point ryan, but dead is dead. They're all in the wrong.
    I guess I'm still an old hippy at heart, because I still see a vision of a world of peace, harmony and tranquility. The kind that motivated the youth of late 60's early 70's.
    Some vision are hard to forget, even though they are as unrealitic as anything ever concieved. I'll settle for honesty in biz dealings and a lack of corruption in government. Still unobtainable, but a nice dream just the same.
  7. Goofus Maximus

    Goofus Maximus Too old to be this dumb!

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    Yes, you should find some comfort in that. Ayers himself said that the "unrepentance" remarks were taken out of context from his book, who's whole point was "Killing people is wrong."

    It makes it better than the slavering mad-dog impression the conservatives are trying to paint. That said, it just makes it less bad, rather than good. But it's a level of bad that is shared by many more people in politics than the other worse form of bad. If the conservatives who worked with Ayers on the Annenberg Challenge could stomach him, why should we get in a tizzy about it now?
  8. MSP

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    The tizzy is that Obama seems to surround himself with people of questionable integrity and motives. Wright and Ayers should have been a political 1-2 punch, but you guys think it's just fine. If we were posting about McCain or Bush right now you guys would be frothing at the mouth. There just seems to be some loss of objectivity going on here.

    Anyway, I'm going to post this photo again. I think it was glanced over the 1st time, and I think you should all look at it and ponder for a while:

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  9. Tacdriver

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    It doesn't matter MSP, it just doesn't matter to them. Disgusting.
  10. namelessentity

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    haha, it makes me laugh at how much that bothers you.
  11. Tacdriver

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    It scares me how that 2-cycle weed whacker of a brain produces enough horsepower to pull the lever in November, or if left in a room by yourself how you don't attack the mirror.
  12. ThatHideousStrength

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    Obama's 'Weatherman' Connection - Fact Checker

    "Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous."

    I think this would put things into perspective. You Neocons need to find something else. Move on.
  13. Goofus Maximus

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    I think part of the reason people are no longer outraged by such things, is that the last time we let the other side bludgeon us with fear, we ended up in Iraq, with testosterone-crazed mobs threatening the Dixie Chicks and rioting at a performance by Linda Ronstadt, in attempts to aggressively silence all disagreement by said mobs who fed off their testosterone high.

    As a result, we don't listen to such arguments as unskeptically as we did before, and are tired of folks using Ayers and Keiting to bludgeon each other with.
  14. Tacdriver

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    That was quoted from your article which is pretty much a repost. Also you'll note that statement was made in 2001 after he knew Obama. Maybe you should read the previous posts in this thread? Your argument has been heard already about Obama being 7 or 8.
  15. MSP

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    That article has been posted here before and doesn't change a thing. It's from the Washington post for Jah's sake, and simply tries to imply the same thing you retards have been implying - that his connection to Ayers is not big deal, that Ayers is a great guy now, and that it's all politically motivated, etc.
  16. ThatHideousStrength

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    He was a radical activist against the Vietnam war. What a terrorist. I guess Obama is a radical activist and a terrorist as well. Arnold Schwarzenegger was obsessed with Nazi's and his Dad was a SS agent and now Arnold is running California. Burn him too.
    (Me rambling)
  17. MSP

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    Let's get one thing out of the way once and for all. Blowing shit up and inciting riots does not equate to "activism", it's called "terrorism". Using force to incite civilian fear, for whatever purpose, is terrorism. Defending Obama's relationship to ayers is pathetic and misguided, defending Ayers himself is something else entirely. Objectivity, meet Mr. Window.
  18. Goofus Maximus

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    I think we've reached a point in this debate where the flames are all heat and smoke. I don't agree with you guys, but I love you to death, in a manly yet nonsexual way! :)

    I am bowing out of this thread.
  19. Commissar Smersh

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    There's two arguments in this thread. One is the whether or not Ayer's actions constituted terrorism. The other is whether or not there is a significant relationship between Ayers and Obama.


    I've tried to break my response into the two discussions:

    On terrorists and authority:

    This discussion really comes down to a difference in the belief structure of liberals and conservatives. Remember that TED talk I posted a while that expounded the differences between the two sides of the political spectrum here in the US? This speaks directly to that. Both sides, for the most part, care about the people and society. However, the difference lies in the importance of authority within a society.

    I want you all to take a second and think back to your US History classes in high school. (I realize this was longer for some of you so I'll give you a few minutes.)

    What do anarchists, communists and terrorists have in common? They're all labels that have been used to define and segregate the groups that challenge the status quo of society and/or the authority of the government.

    On Bill Ayers:


    Does Ayers have a sordid past? Without a doubt. To define his actions are terrorism are however a stretch. Ayers and the Weathermen's (later Weather Underground) actions were not done to create panic and fear among the common citizen but to rebel, object and hamper governmental efforts in Vietnam.

    They went out of their way to ensure that no harm was done or lives lost. Doesn't quite sound like terrorism to me.

    On the relationship between Obama and Ayers:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/us/politics/04ayers.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

    Tacdriver & MSP, you two can foam at the mouth and question our mental faculties all you want but it's not going to cause any changed beliefs. You can post pictures of a flag laying on the ground and post images of 9/11 in order to get an emotional response out of us, but again, it's not going to change our beliefs.

    Is Ayers directly involved with Obama? Again and again it's been posted that there is no connection.

    Not to mention that every time we post an article showing that the two are not linked outside of common educational circles in Chicago it's dismissed as being from a "liberally biased source". You can't sit her and tell us that we have blind party affiliation when you are just as guilty of the act.

    In summary this is a non-issue. There is no significant link between Ayers & Obama.
  20. braaains

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    It's more bothering me how offended you're getting at other peoples thoughts tac. You keep calling everyone and everything disgusting and stupid and so on and so fourth.

    No one on the other side is dropping slurs in every post. I'm sorry that these '2-cycle weed whackers of brains' have come to different conclusions than whatever whacky landscape tool you got running up there. But your snide holier than thou, i've been around the block attitude really just helps to make you look more and more like a curmudgeon every time you post.

    Yes, I realize you are the minority here. But every time you make a thread, even the topic starts out on the defense, and it's really just helping to widen this gap between the repubs and dems on this board.
  21. MSP

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    A picture of a guy standing on your nation's flag doesn't illicit an emotional response? Even without emotions the intent of the photo should at least conjure up some questions in your mind.

    I agree with Scooby though, a little civility wouldn't hurt.
  22. Tacdriver

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    Ok. From now on I'll just post how your beliefs make me laugh. Just remember not to get pissed off now and don't call anyone a moron either.

    Fair enough?
  23. Commissar Smersh

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    ^^

    Needs more feet-stomping.

    No, a picture of a guy standing on a flag doesn't illicit an emotional response. It does raise questions, as any good journalistic photograph should. However, it does not produce an instant, knee-jerk he hates America reaction.
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    This reminds me of a conversation I had with a guy when I was in Chicago last week. We were talking about the laws requiring that convicted sex offenders be registered or convicted repeat drunk drivers have special license tags. And he was totally opposed to both. I just can't understand how an intelligent, rational person could look at either of those laws and disagree. The same is with Ayers and that photo. In my mind I cannot fathom how a patriotic American with a triple digit IQ can look at it and not be angered.
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    That was in response to your reaction to the american flag photo, not to your reaction to Obama's affiliation with Ayer's.

    I'm sorry for the comment though, it was immature.

    I say we lock this thread, it's slowly turning into personal attacks (partly my fault) and it's obvious that no minds will be changed.