Noones talking about CISPA? WTF is wrong with you ppl? (youknowthedrill)

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  1. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    That's just plain sad.
    Just let them know:
    Congress is like a child. without at least the threat of discipline, they become spoiled brats that do as they please and become the worst of problems. Voting is the only means by which they can be disciplined. And by golly, they need their fannys smacked really hard.
  2. Coleman

    Coleman fresh off the corner

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    Everyone blames Congress but the issue isn't really that simple. They're all lawyers and lawyers are meant to try their best to use the rules set before them to their advantage. Any loophole or misstep in language will be used to get what they want or prevent others from doing so.

    If we really want change then we need to stop pushing out so many lawyers into politics and get some real reformers from all walks of life. Economics professors, educators, mathematicians and scientists need to get more involved with politics.
  3. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    I strongly agree. This is also why the texts of legislations are written as they are. Convoluted and cryptic to the point of being smoke and mirrors.This is a sure fire way to hide anything in plain sight.
    The problem with other than lawyers running for office is that anyone inteligent enough to perform admirably, does not want the job.
    BTW: What ever happened to congessional insider trading oversight?
    Or term limits, or any other proposed sollution to what is unanimously considered a problem with government?
  4. Coleman

    Coleman fresh off the corner

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    What do you mean by this? There are still term limits and laws against insider trading..
  5. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    I'm talking congress here.
    OH yeah, There is now a law (STOCK) after public outrage during an election year about congressmen making bank on insider trading. But there are no limits on how long a congressperson can stay other than getting voted out. Term limits only apply to local politics, governors and presidents.

    I brought this up in an attempt to illustrate the relluctence of both sides to stop the corruption or damage the good ol' boy system. It was a slam against politics in general.
  6. Coleman

    Coleman fresh off the corner

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    Gotcha.

    Well.. a lot of those Congressman who serve consecutive terms over and over run unopposed. And those that don't run unopposed, but keep winning tell me one thing.. His constituents like him. If the guy's a fraud then they're to blame.
  7. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    Or they offer up adequate quantities of token bones. Earmarks earn votes. :-k

    History tends to repeat itself.
    It all didn't turn out so swell for Rome. http://www.roman-colosseum.info/roman-empire/causes-for-the-fall-of-the-roman-empire.htm
    Substitute corporate America/MIC for the Praetorians and lookout USA.
    There are many other similarities also.
  8. Goofus Maximus

    Goofus Maximus Too old to be this dumb!

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    I don't know about that. I mean Rome STARTED OUT corrupt, when it was still a republic, and the Senate was a place to go to be appointed Provincial Governor, so you could go out and bilk money out of the provinces. Rather than getting corrupt, Rome's downfall was simply it's size, which became insupportable to defend economically. It split in two and shrank, and it's actually only the Western (Latin) Roman Empire that fell to the barbarians, while the Eastern (Greek) Roman Empire kept going for quite a while, still shrinking, then growing again, only to be sapped of it's strength during the fights with the Ottoman Turks. It finally ended for good in 1453, when the Sultan's troops took Byzantium (now Istanbul, Turkey), after the Catholic Pope ignored a request for help from Byzantium. If the Eastern Orthodox Church hadn't split from the Roman Catholic church earlier, Byzantium might still be here in some form to this day.

    History is fascinating, and is generally far more complex than popularizers give credence to.
  9. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    Fixed. Corruption and abuse of power happens amongst groups of chimps and apes too.
  10. nidex

    nidex Hood Rich

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    It's funny how everything gets tense when the dome over us all starts flexing and losing pieces of control. Shit like this bill will keep getting slipped in, people might not care now, or a year from now, but eventually (I believe) everybody is going to get fed up and some major changes are going to come over us. What really sucks is there might be your person here or there that cares a great deal, but just as a person... you're fighting a lost cause. For example, the deal with the police now being allowed to strip search you anytime you're brought into a jail, no matter what the offense. You can fight that as a person, but what's going to happen? You might get kicked in the stomach by a few cops for not complying, and then conveniently forgot about when it's dinner time. You can fight the fact that police got your cell records without a warrant, but unless you shell out major cash for a lawyer, you aren't going to get anywhere. Even then, you should have never had to get a lawyer in the FIRST place... you get hit in the pocket or wherever else one way or another. There needs to be a large, organized group ready to strike the system when its damn close to a breaking point. I would be a part of that. And no, I'm not talking about a terrorist strike or anything like that, in case one of you fine law enforcement tools officials decide to take that one and run with it.
  11. crowchaser

    crowchaser not to be taken seriously

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    the only time it will be worth fighting is when there are enough people pissed off about it, it will be a war against our government, and it will be the end of our nation as we know it, it's not so hard to think that it could happen, plenty of governments have toppled with in the last 10 years
  12. mistawiskas

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    This would be the like ACLU.....but then again, any organization of humans will get side tracked and eventually stuck in a cycle of catering to special interests.
    First thing to do is admit it's getting real, seconds is to take an honest look at who it is that's really out to control us. Third is to realize that urban camo isn't worn by our military
    just for "over there".
  13. Torx

    Torx Indigenous Nudist

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    cispa passes house of reps.


    ron paul, one of 15 that voted no. lol
  14. Commissar Smersh

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    Obama said he would veto it if it passes. Which isn't interesting since he stocked the judicial department with **AA cronies.
  15. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    A lot of things are "said" in an election year.
  16. Goofus Maximus

    Goofus Maximus Too old to be this dumb!

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    Heh. How do you tell if a Politician is lying? His lips are moving!
  17. mistawiskas

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    ^^^There's only one reason they do it.......because they can :-k.



    http://www.neowin.net/news/a-look-at-the-latest-cyber-surveillance-bill

    back in 2011
    http://techpresident.com/blog-entry...t-surveillance-far-outstrips-wiretap-requests

    This bill simply seeks to Okee-Doke what's already in practice.

    http://www.infowars.com/government-sureillance-crackdown-on-internet-goes-into-overdrive/
    http://www.infowars.com/bill-to-create-massive-surveillance-database-of-internet-users-approved/