"New York governor signs same-sex marriage bill into law"

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  1. MSP

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    Agreed. Their rights and freedoms are no more or less important than the rest of ours. Now, should those rights include parading naked down the street (as pictured above)? See, there's where we run into problems. Where is the line? Social boundaries are always going to exist, otherwise there is chaos and society falls apart.
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    Hold your horses, older white gentleman. Not every homosex is running on the street naked, spreading HIV and kissing heterosexuals. Same sex marriage is a long overdue right so they just had a lot of (fabulous) pent-up energy. I bet there was a big black parade when they abolished slavery! ;)

    It's one day, one celebration. If you're not gay, it really doesn't affect you. Loosen your grip on your leather-bound Bible, this doesn't devalue your marriage in any way. They're not going to your baptist church and buttraping the congregation. People are going to be gay regardless of legislation, why marginalize them with antiquated social view? HAETERS!
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    Dude, I'm no homophobe. And I'm definitely not a fucking Baptist! lol
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    It's not about tolerance, it's all about acceptance, tolerance just isn't enough. :-k
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    People keep saying this shit, but how exactly are 'they' 'forcing' 'acceptance'?

    Seriously, I haven't run into one gay person who has said "YOU WILL LIKE ME AND EVERYTHING I DO11!!"
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    You're right. Gay people have been around for thousands of years. It's about time we accept them.
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    Nudity is just one of the things America is way too up tight about. They're just boobs and winkies; half the populations got one, the other has the other. No big deal.
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    Woop woop!

    Gay agenda spotted!
  9. mistawiskas

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    Don't lambase me on the subject, becaause I'm niether yea or neigh on the matter.
    It's a proccess, not an event. Ever stop to think that there may be a reason "people keep saying shit like this"?
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    Also, straight people can dance naked in the streets too. It's an equal rights thing ;)
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    Not here, only gays get to :p
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    lol, you said winkie! I enjoy throwing around the phrase weewee on occasion, my girlfriend hates it.

    and MSP, I wasn't jabbing at you in any way. I just found your quote to be a good springboard for my post. I'm sure there's at least one member on here who's anti-gay marriage so that post was for them. :D
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    I didn't know Grants Pass, Oregon had a Pride Parade :p
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    Yes, that is why I asked this question:

  15. mistawiskas

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    Gay pride parades? I don't recall any other group doing that other than maybe a sports team fan group. There's no KKK pride parades but they try to gain acceptance by marching, I've yet to see a christian parade, or conspiracy theorist pride parade either. I will admit that the lack of violence is a welcome thing. By the simple attitude that one is right and the other side should see it the same way is an act of attempted persuation towards acceptance. This or any one of a miriad of things would best be a matter of live and let live rather than "I'm right, you're wrong". Because emotions will always be counterproductive to any aganda on either side of any given issue.
    If there's gay, let them be gay, if there's a strait, let them be strait and at the end of the day, crack open a 6-pack and celebrate commonalities and togetherness as the human race. If i'm against anything it's the "us against them" that both side of this issue exhibit.

    BTW: isn't "pride" one of the 7 deadly character defects (sins for the christians amungst us).
    greed, envy, pride, lust, hate, dishonesty, sloth
  16. MSP

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    The religious groups that they're railing against founded this country, and they made the dangerous journey half way around the world for the privilege of tolerance. They wanted to practice their religious beliefs in their own homes without the Catholics kicking down their door. Flash forward to today, and this group is blatantly and obviously pushing to be accepted. You don't march down the street in a pink thong if you just want to be tolerated and left alone.

    tol·er·ance   
    [tol-er-uhns] Show IPA
    –noun
    1.
    a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, practices, race, religion, nationality, etc., differ from one's own; freedom from bigotry.

    ac·cept·ance   
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    –noun
    1.
    favorable reception; approval; favor.

    The United States is a socially conservative nation, the majority choses for it to be this way. You remember democracy right, where majority rules? That's the problem with this whole situation, there's a small minority that's forcing their will on the majority and trying to make it sound like some sort of noble cause along the lines of the Civil Rights movement. It's not. At all.
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    But it's working, the media backs the movement as well as the entertainment industry.

    And yest Fiddy, there are gay pride parades even here. not much attendence by locals, but a large contingient busses in from Eugene, Salem, Roseburg, Ashland and Medford, same as for Selma and Cave Junction's gay pride events. That way it appears there are more gay people than there actually is in the local areas. It's a lot like any political
    rally you'd see on the capital mall in Salem.
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    So gay people need to find another country then, is that it? And the gay marriage support isn't some "small minority". They just passed gay marriage in NY. The people who are screaming against this issue are those that are heard the most. Aren't the gallup polls pretty much split on the gay marriage issue in the US?

    And I don't see what's wrong with wanting to be accepted. Why does everyone have such a problem with gay people?
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    The answer to that question could come in the form of another question: How powerfull is organized religeon?
    I also think that the "with-us-or-against-us" tactic is backfiring a bit. Mostly what I see where
    I live, is that being gay is not an issue unless gay people make it one. Most people where I live are more
    than happy to just let it ride until people start screaming about it and flaunt it in other people's faces.
    Until then, it doesn't seem to matter. Myself, I respect all people that are acting respectable, it doesn't matter
    who they want to be with.
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    Maybe gay people should have just asked politely and quietly for equal rights. I'm sure that would have worked.

    And if more and more states continue to legalize gay marriage, how is their tactic backfiring?
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    Yeah, if they don't ask nice-like then I drags 'em behind my truck... ;)

    Well, I hate to further compare this to the Civil Rights movement because it's truly not worthy of such comparison, but there was some backfire related to that as well. Desegregation was pushed a little too hard, pie-in-the-sky Robin Hood tactics like the school busing from the late 60s and 70s. And what was the result? WHITE FLIGHT! Like a lot of parents mine said "Bus this motherfucker!" and moved us out to the burbs. And what does it look like today? The inner cities are poor, crumbling, and mostly black. THAT is how social reform taken too far can (and will) backfire. You can't force people to accept things they don't want to accept.
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    Uh, no. We're a representative republic, we have checks and balances in place especially to protect minorities from the tyranny of the masses.

    So gay dudes getting married will lead to some sort of ...straight flight from America's cities?
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    I have no idea what it might lead to, just citing an example of a group that attained their desired social change and how it didn't really work out for them. I hope you're deliberately being obtuse.
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    Yes, I am being deliberately obtuse, your examples are ridiculous. It wasn't like the whole black population suddenly got equal rights and went "oh well fuck it, let's get into drugs and gang wars instead". No, those that wanted out of that environment got out and moved out to the 'burbs with all dem white folk! Not to mention there are SCORES of poor white populations across the country, including in downtown areas.

    There wasn't a backfiring. Poor, trashy people will be poor, trashy people regardless of race, religion, creed, origin or hair color.
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    sarcasm? What does that accomplish?
    No, what I'm getting at is that nobody should even have to lobby for equal or special rights. it should just be a given. Since this is not the case the end results of the squeaky gear getting the grease,
    is the unintended consequenses that MSP mentioned. Humans cannot manage themselves in an equal manner mainly because of the 7 deadly character defects I mentioned. Legislating morals hasn't proven to work yet.
    Change the propensity to indulge in those character defects and the goals sought may resemble what happens in actuallity. (like that's ever going to happen)
    This is not a with us or against us/all or nothing thing. (Which happens to also be the root of tyranny)
    I understand that legislation is the real only avenue available. Good luck with that. Pass any laws or enact any policy you wish, people simply will not see what they do not want to see.
    Changing laws is all fine and dandy, but doesn't equate to changed attitudes and behavior. But go ahead on. The proof is when we sit in the future when we look back on what we tried. We can dream about happy endings but how often do we actually realize them? Try anything within the laws to change things, I'm just a skeptic.