Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by ivwshane, Feb 26, 2009.
I just want to make sure this does not get the edit
Ok, to be clear, my way is legal, your way isn't so much. Now as far as the changing parts goes I may have the year off, but you still would be illegal. They are rare if your paperwork is clean. What you are advocating is illegal, I don't think you should be spreading information that carries long term federal consequences. I will clarify anything that you think is wrong when I get home, Websense is blocking most of what I need, so if my details are sketchy, which I think some are, then I will post again with the correct info.
As far as quoting for posterity, it isn't needed. If I am wrong I can admit that (sometimes).
Lets add a few things real quick C&R are fine as long as they were registered before 84-86 whenever the ban was.
Yes you can buy a hand grenade, explosives are less regulated than guns, I will get the info tonight.
Here is a link for FAQ's on Silencers ATF Online - Frequently Asked Questions: Silencers
Here are all the weapons classified as C&R eligible. http://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios/1972-2007/section2.pdf
NFA/GCA C&R http://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios/1972-2007/section4.pdf
I may be wrong about the class 3, I will look into it further, I seem to remember it being a PITA without it.
Sorry about linking PDF's its all they got
You are 100% wrong. Every thing you said is wrong even in this post. You do not need Class 3 license to own full auto and change parts on full auto has no restriction. And every thing else you said is wrong also. Has nothing to do with not so legal or your way is legal you are just 100% wrong about every thing you said.
We have every NFA item you can think of including machineguns all approved on Form 4 by ATF. No Class 3 and no FFL license of any kind. You on other hand are getting C&R license and WILL be autitted. Unlike us. And since you have no idea WTF you talk about you are in for big trouble. Please read up.
Go post just this your short post on uzitalk.com.
As I said I may be wrong, I updated my post. But what you are advocating is illegal in several regards. While Face to Face sales are legal, it is not legal to sell an unregistered FA weapon. You may be skirting the law a bit. I trust the ATF not a bunch of wankers on uzitalk...
Post it yourself, post the link and if I get shredded then so be it, I don't care.
Who said unregistered FA weapon? I did not. You don't trust the ATF because the ATF never said or publish a single thing you said. You get you info some where else.
What did i advocate is illegal?
I think you guys are in the wrong thread.
pencil keep your class III douche baggery (and semi-misinformation) out of the 2nd amendment debate, and back into your shitty thread.
Must have Class 3 license for full auto - wrong
Machinesgun must be before 1984 - wrong
Have to tell ATF if you go to range - wrong
Cannot change barrel on MG - wrong
Cannot change parts on MG - wrong
ATF will audit you annual - wrong. NEVER. You are thinking of dealer. Needs a warrent to come to your house and they NEVER do. No private citizen with machinegun ever gets visit from ATF.
I do something illegal - wrong
You got your info from ATF - wrong
Anything you said was right - wrong
You are ready for C&R - wrong
This douchebaggary started by giving very very bad legal information and record needs to be set straight. Nothing to do with me tell him not to make authoritating post with details to put people in jail and do not tell me for speaking up.
We have evolved.....the government and power hungry entities have not.
I repeat myself, guns don't kill people, people kill people. The mear fact that military grade weaponry is in the hands of the people stands to be one helluva deterent to those that may attempt to take your stuff, freedom and lives, both foriegn and domestic.
Nothing I said involved being illegal, maybe overly cautious.
I was wrong about the Class 3, not sure how I got that messed up but here is the NFA procedure. Can I own a machine gun
It seems that the class 3 thing came from the states that do not allow full auto, if you have a class 3 it allows ou to own them, though I am not 100% sure of the legalities.
I cannot find any info on face to face sales, have a link? I honored my word and admit that I had my shit backwards.
Yes I am important, don't fucking forget it. And I am going to look down on you for your lack of communication skills. Is this how you speak in real life?
What was I wrong on?
Arizona gun list - How to purchase National Firearms Act (NFA) weapons.
This is the type of info I have been seeing
" Find and purchase the weapon you want through your local Class 3 gun dealer. You can also perform a Form 4 transfer between private citizens at a Class 3 gun dealer (or without the dealer if both parties are in the same state). The dealer will start the paper work once the item is paid for (the paper work is weapon specific, and must have measurements, or serial numbers as needed). "
Since I only want to use my C&R for the discounts at Midway etc I only worry about my bound book and the procedure for obtaining and disposing of a firearm.
You see, the reason why no one takes you seriously is that you are a prick, can't spell more than two word in any one sentence and generally are annoying. I was at work when I posted and didn't have access to any of my reference material. Yes I was wrong but a simple "hey check this out is talks about blah blah blah" but no, you were a prick. No one here likes you that I am aware of, you pop in to annoy people then fade away like a rancid fart. I am finished with you and you are now on my ignore list unless you can prove useful otherwise.
Really? The millions of gun owners in just the USA alone all intend to kill a human or a wild animal with the firearm they purchased? You REALLY believe that? I own several firearms and only 2 were purchased specifically for protection. I don't hunt.
Of all the arguments, misconceptions, uneducated opinions and so forth on this topic.....this one really stood out. Almost forgot about MSP.
1. Why shouldn't I own a full auto rifle? How many people are killed by these weapons per year? Are there a ton of criminals out there with MP5's and REAL M16's or AK's.....nope.
2. Practically any rifle round from .223 and larger will pierce body armor MSP.....not just rounds from the scary looking guns. Your statement leads me to believe we should ban a lot more firearms. Should we ban Shotgun Slugs as well? If it doesn't pierce body armor you'll kill the person from blunt force trauma.
There's just too much emotion involved with this subject and not enough common sense from educated owners of firearms.
Man I wish you guys were this passionate about other things like you are about guns!
Does this even effect the people in California? Our gun laws are so ass backwards I am sure the current laws are either the same or stricter. Seriously, fuck this state.
Yeah but then they might be forced to do something good with their lives, like 'giving'
what's up with the retarded blanket statements, and personal attacks on gun owners?
Gun owners and people passionate about 2nd amendment rights don't "give"?
That is fucking retarded. I'm losing respect for a lot of you because of this.
Dustin, you've officially crossed over into asshole-ism. Get your ass back in the kitchen and make the men some sandwiches.
between all my racism and religion, i donated a few thousand dollars and did over 50 hours of probono (high end) IT work. fuck, i am such an asshole.
Yes, I do because it's a fact. Guns are designed to kill. Sure some people collect them or whatever and never kill anything with them but that doesn't change the fact that they are tools for killing.
I would if there were any men around, but all I see are pudgy cowards. Bah! I'm only kidding and you guys know it.
I wish that more people were as passionate about things as you guys are about your death dispensers
So then are you for a ban of some sort? If you are, what specifically would you ban and why? From what I've read here, people want to ban Assault Weapons.......the scary looking firearms. They are no more lethal than the average hunting rifle. It just doesn't make any sense. Oh and by the way, it's not a fact.....it's just your opinion.
Tac, you really don't believe guns are for killing?
No, I could not care less either way really.
not necessarily. the colt i have would be pretty damn impractical to actually carry. it is built entirely as a target shooting pistol, though it is chambered with a round designed to kill.
ps I am still waiting for your reply in the political thread re liberterians