Looks like you guys were right, get your guns while you can!

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by ivwshane, Feb 26, 2009.

  1. Phant0m51

    Phant0m51 From Utah, NOT mormon

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    Guns may be designed to kill, but they aren't purchased (99.9% of the time) to kill. They're purchased to go shoot some targets, maybe do some competition shooting, shoot some clay pigeons.

    I know my analogy was flawed, but I was just trying to illustrate a point. Also, why is it irrelevant that you can use anything to commit murder? Let's say somebody wants to kill somebody else in cold blood. If that person has a gun, they're going to use it. If they don't have a gun, they'll use a knife. Or a bat, or anything else. So because out of the 3 different weapons I listed, one of them is a gun, you think it's ok for the government to take EVERYBODY's guns away? Why not take away everybody's knives or baseball bats too, since they *CAN* be used for murder.

    I know they aren't taking every gun away, but it's all matter of principal. Once they take Assault Rifles away, they're closer to being able to take all guns away.

    And as for the "Guns are designed to kill" argument goes, you actually CAN say the same thing about knives. Spears have sharp jagged rocks attached to the top, which is a very primitive form of a knife. So knives should be regulated too and everybody should have to receive a background check to purchase knives! Yeah, that'll show 'em!
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    Well I'll first start off saying I don't necesarily disagree with your argument. I shot guns and enjoy it.

    Having said that, I think some of your methology needs some consideration.


    The first quote is absolutely misinformed. People buy guns to kill...period. They might get lucky and shy off a dog with a quick brandish of the weapon but the intent on pulling it out was to kill. Oh.... you meant human beings... Well the same is true sadly (IMHO).


    As for your statement about comparing an assault rifle to a knife: I dunno if you have ever been in a knife fight but I have and it's way more up-close and personal than pulling a trigger from yonder. I carry a knife. Never puled it myself. But if I do it's because I HAVE TO. Not because it's easier.
  3. Dustin

    Dustin Junior Member

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    It's probably the most common gun out there too, fancy that.

    Same thing as saying that more people are likely to die in a car crash in a Honda Accord than a Ferrari F40
  4. darktides

    darktides Hot stuff tonight

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    Lets see here... I have a .17 HMR for killing ground squirrels that cause hazards with their burrows in a cow pasture, I have a couple of .22's for paper killing, I have a Mosin Nagant for the historic value, I have 2 handguns for personal defense and I have a deer rifle left to me by my grandfather before he died.
    We also have issues with coyote's around here, they go after the cows,my grandfather shot several each year. Here in TN we have 0 apex hunters, there are entirely too many varmints and small predators that are causing many issues with the cattle and horses. The coyotes harass the cows and the squirrels are not kept in check, if they are allowed to breed unimpeded they wind up being sick and starve. I would rather kill a couple dozen ground squirrels than see one horse get put down, at least horses have a use and they don't breed by the dozen.

    But..
    We have no need to justify why we own guns, we have the right to do so. It may seem silly or archaic to you, but in some areas they are part of everyday life. People here hunt, we have tons of game and several large national hunting areas that are nearly overflowing with tasty critters. I really do enjoy going and shooting holes in paper, I am setup to reload my own ammo and I don't harm anyone. The basic right is that we can own and use them as we see fit, guns are tools just like hammers and screwdrivers. When in the right hands they are harmless, in the wrong hands and they can take lives. It is all about the intent of the person with the tool, besides if guns kill people then pens are responsible for bad spelling.
  5. darktides

    darktides Hot stuff tonight

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    Actually rifles and shotguns are more common in rural area's, they are used to hunt etc. so you will fund more there.
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    I don't mind guns. I actually enjoy them in the wilderness.



    What worries me is the intorpolation into the common use areas.
  7. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    There is an important reason that "the right to keep and bear arms" was put into the constitution guys. It wasn't because of hunting or target practice. And to respond to the
    "blanket statement" made about conservatives....I'm more a liberal than conservative, and I see the definate need for the citizenry to 'have and bear' arms especially now.
    A person could argue that the society we live in is different than it was when the constitution was written. It may be, but the governments aren't. The need for those in power, both monetary and military, to controll the population is as it always has been.
    So long as we are allowed to "keep and bear arms", we have an insurance policy against not only government run amok, but the public and world run amok also.
    Nobody seems to think it through to get past the media and political brainwashing. They still think that guns kill people. That shit only happens in the 'terminator' series. People kill people plain and simple. Ask yourself why a government would not want it's people to be able to protect themselves from anything that may come along.
  8. namelessentity

    namelessentity Resident Cynic

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    Guns make killing a whole lot easier. You don't see mass high school stabbings or high school baseball bat murders. It's completely detached, and by the time you've pulled the trigger it's too late to realize the stupid mistake you've made. If you start hitting some dude with a bat you might realize you're taking it too far and stop before you kill him.

    That said, I still don't like undoing the constitution. Even if I don't care about it, you need to fight against every small thing so they don't all add up and turn into something you have no hope of undoing.
  9. Dustin

    Dustin Junior Member

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    I just love how people hold on to this 'founding fathers' bullshit as if they did anything better than we do today. Look, I totally get the need for guns, especially in remote areas; but I don't 'get' the desire for combat shotguns, automatic rifles, sub-machine guns and other insane stuff.

    Maybe it's your 'right' but EVOLVE please. Rules that applied 200 years ago do not apply today. You're not sitting in a log cabin on your apple orchard dying of small pox, you're on your fat ass eating drive through McDonalds looking up porn on the internet.

    It's actually completely impossible to reason with people like this though. Things like gun control, religion and other ancient ideals like racism will never be unlearned for a lot of you paranoid psychopaths.
  10. Subcidal

    Subcidal New Member

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    The fact that the entire nation is armed dosent scare the 535 people that run our entire government...


    Incase you havent noticed yet.
  11. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    /end thread.

    I'd say that privately owned firearms intimidate the federal government pretty well. Why else would they try so hard to take them away from us, given the statistically insignificant safety threat they pose?

    But then again I'm just a paranoid psychopath... :roll:
  12. Subcidal

    Subcidal New Member

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    The american government isnt worried about americans taking them over by force because they fucked over so bad. They know we are not accustomed to revolutions. Its not going to just happen unless something big gets the ball rolling.

    Their more afraid of the fact that organized AND unorganized crime can get the same fire power as them. Im pretty sure that is where the problem lies. Back in the day everybody having the same Shoot, Reload black powder rifles didnt effect us. Now with high powered assault rifles, Grenades you can buy at gun shows. Guides to how to make land mines on the internet that are already being used in iraq daily.

    Im pretty sure all theyre trying to do is atleast make it somewhat of a challenge to buy high powered weapons, Not just waltz into a store have some guy you paid buy it for you and take it back to mexico and kill a few cops because they found your grow room.



    IMHO =P

    Personally im not to worried about it as i know a few people with assault rifles that im not necessarily comftorable around when theyre holding them.

    Edit: (As in its people like them that shouldnt be buying ak47s, Its almost a little bit to easy to buy guns that can go through steel plates.)
  13. saint seiya

    saint seiya Junior Member

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    lol true dat
  14. Commissar Smersh

    Commissar Smersh 2020 Staff Member

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    Homeowners Open Fire With AK-47 On Thieves - News Story - WSB Atlanta

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    Subcidal New Member

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    Is that story somehow suppose to justify high powered rifles?

    They couldve ran out there with two pistols and gotten the same results.
  16. ShabazKillaX

    ShabazKillaX I'm an F18 bro

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    Well, looks like the Assault Weapons Ban might not be coming back yet. Harry Reid and Antichrist Pelosi both have said they have no plans of bringing it back. I'm still buying my AR15 sooner rather than later though. I don't trust either of them.
  17. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    I personally wouldn't whip out my SKS (similar to AK-47) to drive thieves off of property. The chance of overshooting / over penetrating and injuring or killing a neighbor would be far too great. I'd rather they take my car than for me to shoot the neighbor's kid! I'd use my shotgun with some #3 or #4 buckshot instead. :evil:
  18. nidex

    nidex Hood Rich

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    First off, that story sounds ghetto as fuck.
    Secondly, this is a waste of money because the people that do damage with assault weapons didn't obtain them legally to begin with. Why punish the ones who abide by the law?
  19. Subcidal

    Subcidal New Member

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    Haha yeah it is pretty over the top to be shooting at your 94 plymouth with an ak47 because somebody stole it =P

    They dont want to punish law abiding citizens, but the illegal buyers are just getting american citizens with clean records to buy them for them and then give them some cash. Which where the problem lies,

    I dont think we should blame ourselves for mexicos piss poor managment of its own country, But at the same time we shouldnt be throwing fuel in the fire either.

    Its a touchy subject.
  20. tex

    tex jive turkey

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    zomg. I own guns, so I must be racist and religious too. Good job just tacking shit on there. My mistake for thinking we were having a logical conversation.
    youurre impossiblye to reeson with and are the kind of perosn woh is ruining the country!!11!

    Oh, and automatic weapons are rifles ARE illegal. We're discussing enacting an assault weapons ban. Thats two different things. Read for christ's sake.

    Again, stop pulling shit out of your ass. That fact may be right, but right now its just conjecture. Note the use of the word 'probably'. Please try harder, I am trying my hardest to be civil but you're making it difficult
  21. PencilWntGtU2TheMoon

    PencilWntGtU2TheMoon Junior Member

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    No their not. Did you read this thread? Plus there is whole thread for getting people to get interest for NFA for machinesgun and silencers and short barreled shotsgun and short barreled rifle. Please read it and learn something and get in to it.
  22. tex

    tex jive turkey

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    for the most part they are. It appears there is some path to legality, but I can't understand how it works due to your slaughtering of the english language. I'm not going to read most of your shit until you learn to speak half decent english. It gives me a headache. Gog is fucking dickens compared to your drivel (no offense gog)
  23. PencilWntGtU2TheMoon

    PencilWntGtU2TheMoon Junior Member

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    You also must be very important to look down on others.

    Process is you fill out two pages and send to ATF with $200 check. No gun dealer or license or anysthing required. You can buy from your neighbor. If you need me to draw picture for you just go to uzitalk.com instead.

    Also you dont admit when you are wrong.
  24. darktides

    darktides Hot stuff tonight

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    This thread delivers! I see it like this. There are a butt load of effective laws that let good, honest people buy pretty much whatever they can afford. The people that are comitting crimes are not good or honest.
    To get full auto you have to have a Class 3 FFL that costs, if I am not mistaken, $3000. Now on top of that you have to fill out paperwork with the ATF to get these weapons transferred to you, that is an automatic $200 NFA tax stamp. Now considering that all full auto weapons had to be made prior to 1984 to be legal, that narrows down the number of actual weapons and buyers. Since these items are rare in comparison to your Elmer Fudd shotgun the prices reflect the scarcity. You cannot buy and machine gun for less that $3000 give or take. The ATF guarantees one on site audit per year, and can come anytime they like. But wait, there's more! To take the weapon across state lines or even your local range requires that you notify the ATF of you departure, travel time, and arrival and when the weapon will be returned.
    The rules above have been around for a while, part are from 1934, others from 1964 or 1968. The old laws are good and sensible, that was only 40 years ago, are they still archaic?
    Now one thing that is strange is that I can go fill out the forms for an NFA transfer and buy a hand grenade for whatever they go for. It is easier to buy a hand grenade or a claymore than it is to buy a full auto weapon... There are many more rules from the 1984 ban that apply as well, if your barrel is damaged, you cannot replace it unless it is a pre 1984 barrel, if you use a circa 1995 barrel, you are now illegal. There are many, MANY rules that NFA/Class 3 holders have to pay attention to. The paperwork alone is tedious and can land you in a federal PMITA prison for many years.

    I guess the point of what I am saying is this, if you are not educated on the laws, you shouldn't go around with diarrhea of the mouth. Learn the rules and look for improvements of said rules. New rules make everyone's life harder, from the ATF field agents to the grand jury that will be reviewing cases. Let the people own what they can legally own, the criminals will only steal or purchase from the black markets. The majority of the full auto weapons that gangs have were never legal, period.
    Laws don't stop criminals, if they did we wouldn't have any.
  25. PencilWntGtU2TheMoon

    PencilWntGtU2TheMoon Junior Member

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    You are mistaken. You dont need no FFL and no license to get full auto. You dont even need to go to gun shop. You can buy from neighbor. Just $200 or $5 for AOW. Why does no body listen?

    Not right but it can be 1986 the way you going.

    True for most

    ATF never audit private citizen with NFA. Ever. And they have no way to do it without warrent. Its like anys other gun.

    Only state lines. The rest is BS. And state lines dont count for silencer or C&R machineguns,

    dumass

    100% untrue. We have severl uppers and barrels and we use them for different and you can change them and but them with no paperswork or law.

    Thats you. In all my years i never heard it gotten wrong as bad as you. Almost every single thing you said was wrong. You are a dipshit. Please post that on uzitalk.com for humor. That thread will be epic.