Looks like you guys were right, get your guns while you can!

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  1. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    ABC News: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban

    I'm not a gun owner nor do I plan on owning one anytime soon but I do remember Obama saying he wasn't going to do anything to take away our guns.

    This is very disappointing and will not bode well for him or dems.


    It seems there are a lot of people in this country who say, "you can take our money, you can take away our freedom, but if you take our guns you crossed the line!"
  2. ShabazKillaX

    ShabazKillaX I'm an F18 bro

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    I'll be picking up my AR15 and AK47 in the next few weeks.
  3. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    I'm stocked up already, just need to get a a few more cases of ammo and I'm all set.
  4. integra00

    integra00 Junior Member

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    Obama is an asshole
  5. ninefivezero

    ninefivezero infinite resolution

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    I'm actually surprised and disappointed he is doing this. It won't do anything to help crime in this country, I doubt it will have any effect on crime in Mexico (which is caused by Americas demand for DRUGS), and its just going to anger the right, while getting him very little from the left.

    Guess I need to go out and buy some big clips for my .22 before this happens :p
  6. bigwill51534

    bigwill51534 Saint, Church of Ryanism

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    Never seen this one coming.... :roll:

    ~Will Courtier~
  7. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    I think the reasoning behind it is what is most disappointing.

    Why don't we just sell the Mexican government bigger guns? (don't answer that)
  8. Dustin

    Dustin Junior Member

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    So what's the ban entail? Assault weapons (like it says)? So what's the problem with that?

    You people are fucked in the head if you think you need AK47s and M16s for fucking 'home defense'.

    I'm a-ok with pistols and rifles and shotguns for recreation and defense use, but a fucking ASSAULT rifle? Fuck off.
  9. GRP

    GRP oh snap

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    You gotta be fucking kidding me!

    How the fuck is making something illegal going to keep people from smuggling weapons illegally?

    Goddamn, same old shit.

    ... and he'd better not try to get gun owners to register themselves, because I'm telling you right now, my guns are getting buried for when the time comes for the people to rise up. Motherfucker.

    You hear ASSAULT rifle and you shit yourself. Nearly all ASSAULT rifles are civilian versions that only fire one cartridge per trigger pull. Fully automatic weapons are so incredibly heavily regulated that it's ridiculous. See below:

    National Firearms Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Federal Firearms License - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Gun Control Act of 1968 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    This shit is already regulated out the ass, not to mention you're entirely missing the point of the second amendment. The second amendment is in place as a sort of 'reset' button for the government; if the government becomes oppressive, the people rise up and replace it. This is why it's important to have access to all kinds of firearms.

    Call me a nutjob, but there are numerous examples within the past century or so to show what happens when a government begins to infringe on the right to possess firearms.

    Not to mention that the "Assault Weapons Ban" is a pile of garbage that restricts enitrely retarded things...

    Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    COP KILLER BULLETS? NO MAGAZINES GREATER THAN TEN ROUNDS!

    Goddamn, Holder guy knows dick about dick. What a fucking idiot. Obama better chuck this guy and fast.
  10. demonizeZ

    demonizeZ Junior Member

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    I wonder whats his definition of Assault Weapons; its a very broad term. So before i can say if this move is good or bad, i like to know specifically what kind of weapons he talking about.

    Personally i think its ok to ban Assault rifles. I dont see any reason for civilians to own them. They have no understanding of such weapons. As in they will either take it to range, fire few rounds; or take it to some secluded place fire few rounds, get happy and that's that. They will never use such weapons for what its made for. So why have it...

    Its just funny watching people in US, showing off there MP5, Uzi or weapons of that level. I mean if it was like Karachi,Sawat, Somalia,Ukraine... places of that kind, then sure owning that kind of weapons make sense since you will use them for there original purpose every day, as a civilian. But in USA only thing they good for is putting them in gun cases.
  11. demonizeZ

    demonizeZ Junior Member

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    I read this after i posted: But i couldn't agree more.
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    Just because you don't see a reason for civilians to have these we should listen to you ?
  13. MSP

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    The trouble is that these fools get to classify what an assault weapon is too. I'm OK with some limitations on certain types of guns and ammo. Clearly nobody should have a full automatic weapon for example, or rounds that can pierce police armor, etc. But a 10-15 round clip constitutes an "assault" weapon? A shotgun with an 8 round magazine constitutes an "assault" weapon? It's just fucking ridiculous.
  14. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    While I agree with you that those types of weapons seem completely unnecessary that doesn't mean they should be banned for the reasons they gave.

    This is not new legislature but rather a reinstatement of an early assault weapons ban that the Bush admin let expire.
  15. demonizeZ

    demonizeZ Junior Member

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    No, not saying to listen to me. I am just trying to understand the logical reasoning behind the idea, for some civilian to want to have assault riffle.
    (by logical reasoning i mean some thing more then just i like to own one, or its just cool to have one)
  16. Dustin

    Dustin Junior Member

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    The way I see it, if this ban is on exceedingly dangerous and unnecessary weapons then I'm all for it.

    If they classify 'assault weapons' as pistols and shotguns or whatever else is unreasonable then I disagree to a point. I'm not anti-gun but I certainly don't 'get it'.

    I think there needs to be regulations on things like this. Just because someone wants to to use an AK47 for 'recreation' doesn't mean they should be allowed to. Some people's idea of recreation is driving down the highway at 160mph with no seatbelt while drunk; but there's no fucking way anyone here would be ok with that and that's why we have laws in place that make all those things illegal.

    It's all about perspective
  17. MSP

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    Had the colonials not had weapons we would still be subjects to the British crown. A musket would have been considered an "assault weapon" in those days. There's a reason it's in the constitution, and #2 on the list no less. We are citizens, not subjects.
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    integra00 Junior Member

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    BINGO!
  19. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    I think a waiting period is good but there should also be a national database where every gun has it's rifling characteristics documented (there currently is a general rifling characteristic database). That way when police find bullets at a crime scene it is that much easier to trace the guns origin.
  20. GRP

    GRP oh snap

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    All you guys that think there needs to be more regulation, read my wall of text further up the page. Click the links and learn something.

    There's already stupid amounts of regulation in place. Getting rid of ten round+ magazines will only piss people off. Not to mention that they won't be illegal, manufacturers just won't be able to make any more. Retarded, through and through.

    It's really easy to change the barrel on most guns, and not too difficult to change out the firing pin. There's not much of a point to that.

    Sorry about the ninja edit, shane. :)
  21. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    And where would someone get a new barrel from?

    And what harm would come of doing what I proposed? If there is a chance of a rifling database helping to solve crimes and it adds no further restrictions than currently in place then what are the negatives?
  22. integra00

    integra00 Junior Member

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    Not to mention your not going to car jack someone with an AK47. Unless your playing GTA
  23. braaains

    braaains gubble gubble

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    Im of the founding father stance that we should be able to protect ourselves from our government. If all we're left with is .22's and pistols... Well, I don't think we'd stand much a chance.
    And while I know that it would likely never come to that and it's somewhat of an idealist attitude toward guns, It's the peace of mind I suppose.

    Criminals and people who use guns for illegal activities will ALWAYS get guns illegally. No matter how much regulation is put in place.

    It's basically nerfing the public. We all know America is capable of doing some shady stuff. The more they nerf the public, the more shady stuff they can do without any fear of retaliation.

    Hell, I probably just got put on a list for making this post :p



    Any shop that machines barrels? No gun peices are regulated save for the lower receiver iirc.
  24. GRP

    GRP oh snap

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    Some gun owners have multiple barrels for their guns, whether they're in different calibers, or just to have them as backups. I know I have an extra barrel to my .45 laying around somewhere. Not to mention you can always alter the characteristics of your gun in numerous ways... AND there are so many guns and barrels on the market that getting them all registered wouldn't be possible, especially when you figure that someone could mix and match parts too.

    ... and if you want to get really into the details, all you need to manufacture some barrels (on simple rilfes like an AK), is a machine press and some know-how... and you can bet that the barrels would be made. Hell, I bet Wiskas or JustinL could make one.
  25. demonizeZ

    demonizeZ Junior Member

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    These days its soo easy to convert weapons to fully automatic. As for special rounds. We were properly educated how to modify rounds. I can convert my side arm ammo in to Teflon coated rounds, that can pierce armor. Offcourse if people look hard enough they can do that easily too. Law or no law you can pretty much do any thing once you have necessary knowledge.

    You probably right. But the times are very diff. Weapons are very diff. That was then this is now. And if such time comes again (which i doubt ever will) the weapons will be available in black market or by under ground movements.