Latest Health Care Protest

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by chapel, Mar 19, 2010.

  1. chapel

    chapel Jolly Bolly Fo-Folly Staff Member

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    I know that who is showed isn't always the majority. I know that not everyone believes this way. I know that there could be selective editing. With that said, I am sure the two guys that made this were looking for anyone that would talk to them.

    [video=youtube;pilG7PCV448]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pilG7PCV448[/video]

    It is interesting how uninformed our nation is about what they are so vehemently against. My dad repeats the same rhetoric that these people do, it isn't as isolated as you think. Find anyone that is against Health Care reform and you will probably find someone that will spout the same rhetoric and probably know nothing about the bill.

    I know there are a lot of people that know what the bill is about and oppose it, that is fine, but to not know anything, to be oblivious to it, to blindly follow someone like Glenn Beck just because they say they are fair and balanced, is just dumb. I hope it passes, I would rather take the possible downsides of it than keep what fucked up system we have now.
  2. Torx

    Torx Indigenous Nudist

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    my white people.. what a fucking shame. embarrasing ourselves, making a fool of ourselves, looking overtly racist, with no reason to back up with any credible source...
    in the meanwhile, blacks are moving up in the world and whites are moving ever closer to the shore line to get away from them.
    of course theres always the idiots that have to be in the spotlight to get the point across..

    im still up in the air on this, i still dont know enough to make a decision or spout around like i know what its about... nor do i rely on some hack on tv for the information.
    all i know is... my insurance coverage, saved my ass from a 40k doctor bill, 2k out of my pocket was fair. and i dont mind the $15 out of my paycheck a week for that premium coverage.
  3. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    Funny thing about that. if it were the republicans pushing the exact same bill, those same exact people would be all for it thinking that the problems would be solved once and for all. My dad and a few friends for instance, republicans and nothing will ever be good while the oposite party holds the majority. World peace, milk and honey for all, the end to any form of energy that pollutes, constant ongoing cosmic orgasms acrost the universe, and never another poor person on earth would not be good enough if it passed a democratically controled congress. It's bullshit to the extreem. if a person must take a stand, at least take an informed stand for christ's sake.
    I have a hard time with prejudiced, bigotted ignorance. It's a sign of a person too lazy to think for themselves.

    as for any health reform that gets to the point of being voted on in congress, it won't benefit the common man.
  4. SoulAssassin

    SoulAssassin Car Ramrod

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    I'm against this bs. You want the government to screw up something else, fine. I'm not going to argue.

    What I do find hilarious was this Catholics for Health Care Reform (or w/e it's called) in Cincy holding a prayer session downtown hoping this bill passes....except this bill could very well provide federal funding for abortion. lolz
  5. chapel

    chapel Jolly Bolly Fo-Folly Staff Member

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    [video=youtube;nunTTyfCr8Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nunTTyfCr8Y#t=5m50s[/video]
    Skip to 5:50 for the lulz!
  6. SoulAssassin

    SoulAssassin Car Ramrod

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    That was the slowest loading video in history. But seriously, one guy, one video? Whooopity doo. I can find liberals and conservatives far worse than that.

    The far right and far left are wrong. My brother-in-law has seen this shit first hand and has said it will be a mess. He's not into politics. He's just a doctor. I respect his opinion over anyone I know and surely over any politician. Have fun with it though. lulz
  7. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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  8. Tacdriver

    Tacdriver Junior Member

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    Nothing funny about it. Republicans wouldn't back this bill so your analogy is moot. Why would we? It goes against everything we pretty much stand for. It's like saying "Democrats For Pro Life." It doesn't make sense. How's about this......an open vote to the citizens. I'm guessing it would be a huge "No" but they're going to force it down our throats on Sunday anyway because the government knows what's best for us. Welcome to a state of ZERO Democracy.
  9. Torx

    Torx Indigenous Nudist

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    wah wah, be complacent and obey.

    too little, too late, too weak.. repubs.
    welcome to the new society of shut the fuck up and SILENCE!
  10. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    ^^^ Except public opinion for the president and the congress is dropping like a stone and they're going to get slaughtered in the mid-terms. The polls have consistantly shows the majority is against what they're doing right now. Agree with the bill or not, the bottom line is they are going against our democratic principles and the people are going to crucify them for it.
  11. chapel

    chapel Jolly Bolly Fo-Folly Staff Member

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    I'd like to think that at least Obama is trying to make a positive change, even though it isn't perfect and some people are severely disgruntled about it, he is taking a stance as a President should. Regardless of your position, everyone thinks that our health care system is in bad shape and needs fixed, the difference in opinion is in where it is broken and how to fix it. We could spend the next 50 years trying to figure out how best to fix it, while it gets worse and worse. I want this to happen because I think it will be better overall than not doing anything.
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    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    ^^^^ Again, step back and look at it in purely governmental mechanical terms. A few are overriding the will of the electorate. Sure the Democrats were elected to power, but their constituencies at home are screaming at them not to do this and they're pressing on anyway. The shift of power in November is going to be brutal. But as Wiskas says what does it matter? There's really only one party masquerading as a two party system.

    And what the fuck is up with all the student loan and financial aid stuff in the bill? See section #2104:

    Someone explain to me what this has to do with health care reform?
  13. chapel

    chapel Jolly Bolly Fo-Folly Staff Member

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    Piggybacking, common practice on almost all bills. Needs to be stopped, but will it?

    Where are you getting that the majority don't want the reform? Polls? Fox News? Just curious, because it isn't what I am seeing.
  14. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    That's why it's neccessary to read all texts of all bills, republican sponsored or dem sponsored. In the end, what get's signed resembles little of the original intent. Tac, my arguement stands. Very few republicans or democrats even know what is in any bill let alone this one. They'd much rather get thier education by forwarded emails. It's not a slam at one party or another, it's a slam at people's self imposed ignorance and addiction to not thinking for themselves.
    This is how corporate america assumed power.
    *First thing that had to go is education:check!
    *create a well oiled media machine: check!
    *increase corporate wealth and an overwhelming pursuit of wealth by the masses: check!
    *slowly creat a means to change the concept of a bribe into a "campaign contribution": check!
    *build the public up for a letdown: IE: pull the plug on economic health to keep the workers in line: check
    *create and maintain a sense in the greater population that "nuthin' can be done" about or political system: check!!

    hang on to yer asses kiddies, the ride ain't over yet!
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    LO f'n L. I didn't just read that the IRS is going to oversee the health care bill enforcement and penalize people who haven't purchased insurance did I? How the hell can you fine people who can't afford to purchase insurance. This is too good. The IRS is expanding its power with another 17k employees and the ability to withhold refund checks. To hell with doing my own taxes from now on because the IRS is going to make it pretty difficult to do it yourself.
  16. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    There's a growing movement to just not pay any taxes. There are ways to live decently without showing income. Some businesses and lawyers do it all the time. Creative accounting isn't just for
    the world of commerce anymore.
    it shouldn't have come to this.....but here we are
  17. chapel

    chapel Jolly Bolly Fo-Folly Staff Member

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    If you can't afford insurance normally you would be covered under public options like medicaid or state plans. If you can afford it but barely there are subsidized options. I think it is better to fine people that choose not than to just blindly pay for those that choose not to have it. It could also move to make illegals less serviceable in emergency rooms.
  18. MSP

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    Fox News? Nigga please... Here's one, just Google around and you'll find others. 54% against as of right now.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub.../healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform

    EDIT: And I'll bet $100 right now that nobody here has actually read what they're supporting. It's a cute video up there, but ignorance is rampant on both sides.

    DOUBLE EDIT:
    There is no public option, and we couldn't afford it if there was. We can't afford the bill as it stands. Again: 1) Take the time to read what you're supporting, and 2) It's being crammed against the will of the people and our democratic principles. All that nonsense about not calling the bill to a vote for example, that didn't bother you at all?
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    How about the American people knowing what's in the bill?!?! Don't you seem to care? We're talking trillions of dollars in an economy that can't withstand at best billions. Why? Because of some ideological legacy that HAS to be left by President Obama......a failure at best. One term baby.......and this BS is being forced upon us. That's NOT what this country is about. We don't vote for people because we think they know what's best for us. No one in in great numbers wants this!!
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    ThatHideousStrength Junior Member

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    Teabaggers know it best amiright?
    [video=youtube;6ik4f1dRbP8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ik4f1dRbP8&[/video]
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    Why bother typing anything? Let's just find random videos and post those instead.

    Wait. So the IRS knowing and sharing all of your personal and medical information is perfectly acceptable to you?
  22. Jackalope

    Jackalope NNNNEEERRRRDDDSSSSS!!!!!!

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    Not sure why you keep showing cherry picked teaparty videos. Last I checked the "teaparty movement" was a very large pretty diverse group. I'm sure any protest you go to there will be morons, bad behavior. Also, these videos are irrelevant to the argument.

    want to know what's in it:

    http://docs.house.gov/rules/hr4872/111_hr4872_amndsub.pdf

    http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3590eas.txt.pdf

    http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/us/20100318_cbo_report.pdf

    I have two major problems with this bill (aside from the obvious against big government thing).

    1. They are using every trick in the book to make it look deficit neutral, even when it's not.

    2. They are determined to pass this bill regardless of what the citizens or even other senators/congressmen want.

    but mainly I do not believe the government should be in the health care business. They try to claim that the free market has spoken, and didn't work. Well newsflash: with tons of government subsidies and kickbacks, as well as laws tailored to allowing insurance companies to have practically zero competition, and take advantage of the sick, no it hasn't. There has not been a free market in health care. I can't think of a single instance where the best answer is "more government", healthcare especially.
  23. Tacdriver

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    I find it hard to believe that people on opposing sides have read all 2,700 pages of the bill and have come up with totally opposite versions of how the bill is worded. Someone is in denial or bold face lying. You tell me who? Must be a reason why they wont put it to a public vote.
  24. MSP

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    Agreed. Having actually been to a few of these protests what I found was a normal slice of society. In any gathering of 2 or more people you will have idiots present, and the folks who oppose the Tea Party movement seek them out to try to discredit it. But yeah, other than the video posting there really hasn't been any argument at all. No offense, but the pro-reform people around here aren't a whole lot better than those depicted in the videos - ignorant and pissed off.

    EDIT: And by the way, the US Postal Service is the public option to FedEx and UPS. Raising postal rates, reducing services including Saturday delivery, etc. Great, isn't it?
  25. Tacdriver

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    Yeah....the media wont show a good representation of the folks at any Tea Party rally. They all must be crazy zealots that are ALL redneck, bible thumping, gun toting, pick up truck driving, Wal-Mart shopping, tobacco chewing, wife beating, black hating, pro-war, small town and, ONLY Fox News watching idiots. It's ridiculous that these people are painted with a broad brush by the same so called enlightened or progressives that always fight against stereotypes! Talk about a bunch of biggots!!