Joe Horn cleared of all charges

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  1. Jishory

    Jishory Junior Member

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  2. kip59

    kip59 One of MSP's Sneaky Brits

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    lucky man!



    I will be interested to see how this pans out as I don't think that this is the end of this case.
  3. Torx

    Torx Indigenous Nudist

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    wwooohoo!! i wish i had neighbors like him.

    in my part of town.. you could be getting robbed outside and people will shut their blinds, look away or act like they didnt see anything.
  4. SoulAssassin

    SoulAssassin Car Ramrod

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    Good news either way...I thought you were talking about the NFL player Joe Horn at first
  5. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    Another, albeit very small, token bone that sorta revives a bit of faith in the just-us system.
  6. Goofus Maximus

    Goofus Maximus Too old to be this dumb!

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    If they'd been shot in the front, there wouldn't be as much hoo-haw over it all. Still, he lucked out because of the media frenzy, which means folks would have set up funds to help him pay for a decent lawyer.

    Some poor sucker of the wrong skin color doing the same thing would get no media coverage, and would get the death penalty.
  7. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    I initially supported him shooting the thieves, until I heard he had told the 911 operators that he was going to go outside and kill them. They got what they deserved, and I support him defending himself and his property, but saying what he said to me sounds like it was a premeditated killing. The court strikes down death for child rapists, but petty thieves can be shot on site? Something seriously wrong with our court system.
  8. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    That, my friend, is an understatement.
  9. Goofus Maximus

    Goofus Maximus Too old to be this dumb!

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    Law is all about word games. I'm sure the graduates of law school who passed the BAR exam find all this completely logical. There is no conclusion too absurd, as long as the correct collection of words is used...
  10. JustinL

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    Note to self, say to 911 operator "I am going outside to detain the individuals until police arrive."
  11. Commissar Smersh

    Commissar Smersh 2020 Staff Member

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    The man was within the rights of the law, despite his premeditated murder 911 call, but it doesn't make the law right. When the law values property over human life, even that of a criminal, morality has left the law.
  12. bigwill51534

    bigwill51534 Saint, Church of Ryanism

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    I would have absolutely no problem doing the same as this guy did. I also know that my neighbors would do the exact same.

    I have no problem protecting the property of my friends/family/neighbors. If anyone ever threatened their well being, I would gladly fight for them. And I got the big guns, so it wouldn't be pretty.... :D

    ~Will Courtier~
  13. Chris

    Chris Raptor Jesus

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    I'm glad the charges were dropped. I probably would've done the same thing, but probably not shoot-to-kill. Just shoot to incapacitate until the cops arrive :p
  14. MSP

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    I dunno. I wouldn't shoot unless I was in fear of my life. And if I'm in fear of my life I'm not going to be looking to just injure the perp. Right in the chest is where my bullets are going.
  15. PencilWntGtU2TheMoon

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    Where's the ethics rule that says if you catch people robbing your house or your neighbor's house you have to let them go and get away with your shit?

    I suppose the old man should have gone over and physically restrained them. He presented deadly force, they did not comply, that's what you get.
  16. hans5849

    hans5849 Serious as a heart attack

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    At least shoot them in the chest.
  17. Mr. Ali

    Mr. Ali Junior Member

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  18. MovingTarget

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    I'm going to play devils advocate here. The operator was absolutely correct. He should not have gone outside. I can see it being justified if they were already on his property and threatening him.... But he went out and confronted them and even said "you're dead" a couple of times before he started shooting.... and he shot them in the back too.... that means that most likely they were going away from him not going towards him and threatening him....

    Granted I am glad the gene pool is better off without those fucking thieves..... but what Joe did was not right. Property could have been replaced no problem, that's what insurance is for.
  19. MSP

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    There are all sorts of self defense laws related to this. The way I understand it is if a guy charges you with just his fists and you shoot him dead you're probably going to the grand jury. But if you shoot him in the leg, or use some other form of non-lethal defense you're OK. In my mind, if I have a gun and a guy keeps charging at me then HE is going to have a gun. The part about this story that disturbs me is that he said he was going to kill them before he went outside, and then shot them in the back. Premeditated, and kinda hard to declare self defense when they were heading in the opposite direction.

    There was a similar story in the news a few years back where a guy had been broken in to so many times that he rigged a shotgun to go off if someone tried to come in. Some punk did and ended up getting killed, and the guy went to court for using excessive force. I don't recall if he was convicted or not.
  20. Commissar Smersh

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    I've always understood it that if you're going to use deadly force you should aim to kill. If you don't aim to kill then deadly force isn't necessary. Plus if you do kill them then there's only one side of the story. Your's.
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    Yeah...but he shot them in the back and you heard him in the recording...he said he was going to do it regardless the circumstances...and then when he was outside you can hear him yelling "You are DEAD" I think twice...then you hear the shotgun....

    You would be cleared if they were charging after you in your own home and even if they had nothing in their hands you could then kill them and not have to worry about anything....except having to fix the holes in the walls and the blood off the floor.....I guess new carpet would take care of that part....
  22. PencilWntGtU2TheMoon

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    My point was not about the law, it was about the ethical considerations - in my opinion people are not ethically required to let other people rob them.

    However, you bring up an interesting point. Self defense laws vary widely state by state so they can not be covered with a blanket characterization. Further, although he said the usual stuff when the cops showed up (I was scared for my life, yada yada), once he met with a lawyer they did NOT pursue a self-defense position. Self defense was not required to justify this shooting and self defense was not an issue. The laws aren't that way everywhere, but they should be. I think the idea that you have to fear for your life to use deadly force is a dangerous idea. And a rather new one, regardless of how ubiquitous it may be in our societal consciousness nowadays. Anyone tries to commit a felony against me or someone in my midst, and there is no doubt about the situation (my responsibility to determine), I believe I should be able to threaten deadly force to end it. Nobody else is going to stop it. And, in the case of a robbery, nobody else is going to retrieve the stolen property, either.
  23. tex

    tex jive turkey

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    Varies by state. In Texas, law says you shoot to kill. Common sense says shoot to kill so the asshole doesn't come back and sue you.
  24. MSP

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    Losers usually have relatives that would come back and sue anyway. But yeah, I wish I lived in Texas! :)
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    No remorse for these two. You break into someones house and start stealing shit, you pretty much just signed away your life. I would've done the same thing in his situation.