Immigration and Racial Issues

Discussion in 'OT Graveyard' started by Axl_Rose, Oct 28, 2006.

  1. Jackalope

    Jackalope NNNNEEERRRRDDDSSSSS!!!!!!

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    illegal mexican immigration needs to stop...but I think we make it too hard for people to become citizens. Make it easier, and we will have more people here legally.

    as far as "speak english or get out":

    there is no set national language

    there's a little article that gauruntees freedom of speech. all speech, not just english speech.

    Maybe it's because I'm from texas, and yall are yankees, but I don't really see a problem with immigration as long as it's legal. We need more hard working people in this country, and it certainly makes things more interesting and lively to have more cultures represented.


    EDIT: HAHAHAHA anyone catch the irony in those signs? Talking trash to immigrants and mexicans, and speaking english...but what is the name of the restruant?

    CASA D'ICE hahaha casa sure as hell isnt any english word I know...

    and chapel, go, go, libertarian ideals! Although it seems you are closer to anarchy than to a libertarian state. I'm more moderate on the way I feel.
  2. chapel

    chapel Jolly Bolly Fo-Folly Staff Member

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    I agree with what you say. Loosen the laws governing becoming a citizen which will help lessen the amount of illegal immigrants.

    Eh, you may think its anarchy, but anarchy is about chaos and destruction of power. I am an extreme libertarian if you want to go that far. I believe in capitalism, but I want a free market. I wont go into detail, I think have done enough of that in this thread. LOL
  3. #Empty

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    Exactly. there werent the same laws 100-200 years ago. i could say the same about many other things. but i still have to abide by the NEW laws as does every one else, why should a bunch of border jumpers get special rights?


    are you serious? if we had an open border that let people cruise on through unchecked, we'd have a massive amount, and it would not help them to become naturalized at all

    california is the communist block of america.
  4. Axl_Rose

    Axl_Rose Junior Member

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    Prior to this I've never heard of "ICE". But from what you stated(if it is all based on fact and not hear-say). I agree and support them 110%. If thats what we need to keep those mother fuckers outta here and hopefully scare them from sending more, then so be it. I don't see why you are making such a big deal that they have guns. You don't think the illegals would think twice about shooting/stabbing/whatever a person trying to deport them? Not likely.

    The difference I see with this is that the reason we don't want illegals here is way different than why the Germans didn't want the Jews. I wish our problem was "illegal jews" migrating over.
  5. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    I want this guy to run for office. What everyone has stated is right. The trueth and what is right aren't in the same bed though. This is a rather long vid, but it addresses the causes and symptoms.
  6. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    The funny thing about white folks becoming the minority is that given the opportunity a lot of the brown people who go on and on about equality would be completely happy to oppress us if it would make their lives better.
  7. Coleman

    Coleman fresh off the corner

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    So why would learning a second language be bad again? You do know that almost every country in the world is bilingual except the US. It's pretty embarassing how dumb we can be to complain over having to learn another language. It's not like all of the sudden everything will be in Spanish. Try picking up a few words here and there and maybe you will be smarter.

    Oh and I have great respect for a lot of the illegal immigrants. They come to do hard labor and earn shitty wages so they can send the money back to their families. One of the dishwashers at the restaurant I work at is supporting 3 of his own kids and 2 of his brothers kids because he was terribly injured while working on the job over here. That's pretty honorable if you ask me. (the dumb ones who just come over for more money and to have fun and get drunk and drive and such should be deported, of course)
  8. MovingTarget

    MovingTarget New Member

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    Chapel - I agree with you about the G being a big part of the problem but no matter how much every day citizens bitch, complain, wine or moan about it nothing will change it (of course pending a national sized movement).

    The immigration process USED to be stream-lined and it was much easier to become a citizen but over the years people doing so turned out to be criminals running tfrom their G by fleeing here or other equally bad intentions......so then they made the process harder by screening the people with more detail and it snowballed from there. The unscrupulous ones trying to come here and do harm caused the system to tighten its sphincter........

    Freedom of speach is a great thing - except when you have to learn another language in school just to learn American History...its like if you went out and adopted a kid from another country who doesn't speak (whatever language you speak) but don't teach him/her your language.....how the hell do you communicate? At work we have 5-6 Serbian guys who EVERY day have books and audio cassetts to teach them english and they come to us and try their best to speak english, Thats the kind of immigrant we need here willing to work as hard as everyone else but ALSO willing to adapt to their new countries culture.

    True - we as a country don't have a national language established on a peice of paper but we didn't need to do that before because when the immigrants came over - they learned English to merge with the American society. I wish I knew another language...but I don't have the time right now to do so....but I would want to learn Japanese or Russian or even old Gaelic (I wanna move to Ireland so I think it would be fun to learn it). I don't want to be forced to learn ANY language just to do my job or call my bank for a question.

    AGAIN: I am all for immigration as lng as it is done legally and they BECOME Americans.....not a Mexican living in America...not a German living in America....etc - you want citizenship you become AMERICAN. Teddy had it right when he said.....

    "In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag.. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

    Theodore Roosevelt 1907



    Now I think one should be aware of where they came from and even be proud of where they came from etc....but you MOVED here to be American - be an American....its that simple.....
  9. saint seiya

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    axl rose hangs out with a few immigrants
  10. thadood

    thadood I Am The Black Wizards

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    I'm pretty concerned about what's going on with our nation. Between the supposed habeas corpus removal and the new law that (may have, i'm uncertain) passed recently that could give Bush power to declare martial law ( http://towardfreedom.com/home/content/view/911/ ), I'm pretty worried about the next two years of Bush's reign.
  11. Jishory

    Jishory Junior Member

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    click my sig, thats what i think.
  12. Sparky

    Sparky ¿sdooɥʍ

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    Yeah, not all of the mexican immigrants are bad. I work with 5 of 'em on the farm here. I mean, they're not illegal; they're here on work visas, but they work pretty hard doing lousy jobs that they don't even give us high schoolers. They have long hours and they all sleep in a 2 room piece of shit house when they get out of work.

    But they're pretty friendly, we're teaching them english little by little. Unfortunatly, most of the english we teach them is stuff like "fucking shit". :D
  13. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    That is just it, we want the legally here workers with visas. We want the income to be documented, we welcome integration of culturesand the diversity that this affords. We do not welcome freeloaders, that we can't even prove they're here, let alone make accountable for their actions. Did anyone even watch the vid? Bush doesn't have the power alot believe he does.
  14. chapel

    chapel Jolly Bolly Fo-Folly Staff Member

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    He is more true than people know. I believe exactly how he does, the basic thing hes trying to say, is people arent looking at the big picture. That picture is scary. I only mentioned bush because without him, a few of the key players would not be in office. Its because people in office cannot be sued or have no real reprocussions. I have always believed that we created terrorists, and it was intentional. Im glad there are other people that feel as strong as me about it. As I said, immigration is just a way to enact more control.
  15. Jishory

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    illegal immigrants are thiefs, they dont pay taxes, collect on our healthcare and other benefits, send most the money they make here back to mexico, im all for erecting guard towers every 200 yards along the border with armed troops inside. if the scum bags can get in so easily, whats keeping out terrorists?


    oh yeah they are also breaking the law in record numbers
  16. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    Over the last decade, I'm finding that alot of the suspicians I had when I was your ages were, indeed, founded in trueth. Paranoia isn't paranoia when they really are out to get you. The 'big picture' is ugly, not good and well rooted,
    well funded and self serving.
    This thread illustrates what the guy in the vid is saying. Everyone is concerned and emotional with the manifestations of symptoms and not looking at the causes and conditions. The trueth is: "it's more proffitable for a doctor to 'treat' a dissease than 'cure' a dissease". Same goes with international turmoil.
    Fix the cause.....vote.
  17. WoodButcher

    WoodButcher just me

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    Derek Wallace for President!
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  19. Axl_Rose

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    I assume you meant the real Axl Rose. Who are you talking about though...I've never seen any pics of him with any illegal immigrants. Plus listen to the song One in a Million...I don't think he would anyways lol.
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    there's a lot of weird bullshit in there, like his blurb on "cause of terrorism" stuff, i mean, it's kind of like asking "what makes someone catholic" as a result of the old Northern Ireland conflicts, or "What makes someone a democrat/republican" after a dud politician makes it into some office.

    especially since he starts going on about invasions, at least some of which the nation was nothing pretty or tolerant towards their own citizens to begin with... the only real thing is some people like Kim Jong Il, or old school Saddam, like to direct all these aweful issues as the extent of that rich powerful nation over there...

    oh yeah, and wasn't real life william wallace a douchebag? i coulda sworn there was something like that... similar to the samurai in last samurai, hollywood painted them up to be a lot prettier then they were.

    edit: i much prefer the South Park episode on terrorism, and frankly would rather Trey Parker and Matt Stone be elected then this guy. actually, rather then most candidates i've seen in the past 20 years, they're pretty down to earth and realistic about issues, even if in a sarcastic and entertaining way.
  21. Jackalope

    Jackalope NNNNEEERRRRDDDSSSSS!!!!!!

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    trey parker and matt stone are libertarians
  22. HEAVY-D

    HEAVY-D Eh?!

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    Thank You mistawiskas for posting that video, it seems that many people who are 40+ can see and sense that something is wrong and know we are being distracted from what the powers that be don't want us to know. He is saying many things that older Americans are suspecting.


    I know this is mean BUT the idea of whites afraid of becoming 'the minorities' is strangely satisfying. "I didn't feel safe" Welcome to the world of the minority you sound like the kind of person who likes to be safe at people of colors expense. What do you think Hispanics will do? Put whites in concentration camps or whites only slavery? LOL If people of color can survive this BS so can whites. Say hello to the new minority. :lol:
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    yeah the real axl.
  24. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    HEAVY-D Eh?!

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