I'm going straight to hell

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  1. JZL

    JZL Ministry of Whack

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    First of all, I'm a devout agnostic. I was with friends and family last night and ended up going with some of them to a Methodist Christmas Eve service. It was OK. I was curious, it was a beautiful church, and it was somewhat a meditative experience, but nothing earth-shattering.

    One of my best friends is active in the big Methodist church down in Joplin, so today I texted him and told him I'd gone. His response:

    Maybe you can be saved! Merry Christmas!
    My reply:

    OMG, then I'd be stuck in eternity with a bunch of Christians. :)
    Gawd, I hope God wasn't watching.
  2. GiggidyGee

    GiggidyGee Nice bum, where ya from?

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    Ahaha I fucking lol'd

    There is no hell though....!
  3. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    What if?
    Life is hell. If you're good, you get let out. If you're bad.....well, do over, and over, and over...
  4. hans5849

    hans5849 Serious as a heart attack

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    HAHAHAHAH
  5. Commissar Smersh

    Commissar Smersh 2020 Staff Member

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    Methodists are good people though. Less the not drinking part.
  6. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    Yeah, I've met some awesome Methodists. There are a few other religions I've learned not to trust though.
  7. JZL

    JZL Ministry of Whack

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    ?? Every Methodist I know drinks.
  8. Commissar Smersh

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    They're not supposed to, it's in the church membership guidelines and confirmation process. It is one the major issues that define the difference between Methodists and Evangelical Lutherans and other socially liberal Christian denominations.

    http://www.umc.org/what-we-believe/the-social-community#alcohol-drugs

    Methodists were also one of the strongest forces behind Prohibition believing that it was the government's job, rather than one's self control, to keep such awful things out of people's hands: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/History_of_Methodism_in_the_United_States#/Temperance_movement .


    /maternal grandparents were methodists and pure teatotalers; paternal grandmother was Methodist & I attended a Methodist church in HS every Sunday and Wednesday
  9. log1c

    log1c The Underwriter

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    Curious then, in all seriousness and interest of a conversation, how do you "practice" your agnostic beliefs? Curious really. Never seen someone self describe as "devout" agnostic, to me it implies you have some kind of practice you do.
  10. hans5849

    hans5849 Serious as a heart attack

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    Two ways:
    A) It subtly mocks the people who claim to be devout (religion)

    B) http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/devout Devout can also mean serious and sincere, used in this manner it doesn't relate to practice and more of a mental state.
    JZL says thanks for this.
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    log1c The Underwriter

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    Meh. Fair enough.
  12. JZL

    JZL Ministry of Whack

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    This may explain why a friend of mine who was raised Methodist went to Lutheran seminary when he decided to become a preacher/paster/whatever-it-is. We used to get shithammered. Ironically, he still drinks and I don't, but I'm an alcoholic.

    Pretty much what Hans said. IMHO, agnostics have to expend more "energy" on religious thinking than either theists or atheists, whose minds are made up, often at a pretty early age (both my parents were atheists). Some people around here may remember that in some religious discussion early on in my time here, I was the one who said I had a different kind of faith; a faith that if there is a God, he/she/it won't banish me to hell if I led a good life, just because I had honest doubts.

    So, no "practice," just a bit of hashing and rehashing. I don't obsess over it but I do think about it.
  13. Commissar Smersh

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    As a former agnostic, agnosticism is lazy and half-assed. Either you believe that there is some sort of higher power/force holding life together and who created life and gave it order or humans are ethical on their own and the universe was created at random and the human mind finds patterns where it wants and assigns it a label and dogma.

    /DONS FLAME-RESISTANT SUIT
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    These are not exclusive. The former is a metaphysical proposition and the latter is ethical. Why can't I believe that a god created the Big Bang and then just sat back and let it go, knowing that the universe(s) will either end or not? Or that a god started the universe knowing that intelligent, universe-perceiving beings would evolve at various times and places, because, after all, a universe that goes on forever without ever being perceived and appreciated seems kind of pointless. Or a thousand other things? If the world is constructed so that to measure the position of a particle we have to strike it with a beam of energy that moves it, is that some god's way of creating a layer of uncertainty that we can't peer through? Is there a god laughing his ass off at us because we can't account for over 90% of the matter and energy in the universe with our current gravitational theories or even unite gravity and quantum mechanics to begin with?

    I'm obviously not talking about the dogmatic God of Abraham here.

    IMHO, you oversimplified things and collapsed the wave way too early. There are questions, questions, and more questions. Theists and atheists have stopped asking one of the fundamental questions in human history. The end of questioning is the beginning of dogma.
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    Spirituality and religion are two different things. I see spirituality and science converging harmoniously.
    Life isn't boring as long as we have unanswered questions. "Question everything!"
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    log1c The Underwriter

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    image.jpeg Yes. I understand.
  17. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    Co- mostest! of coarse!