"Illegal is illegal"

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  1. MSP

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    Exactly. If the fed was doing it's job then Arizona wouldn't have taken this drastic step. Just North of Cincinnati a local sheriff fought for and received immigration powers because the god damned federals were incompetent and not doing their job. And guess what? Within a few years he's basically broken up and driven away the illegal immigrant community.
  2. mistawiskas

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    You add fertilizer to a situation like this and it gets worse, proportionally, you sour the situation and it gets better.

    Yup. Even Bohemianbuttfuckers like the willing ones better when the bohemianbuttfuckee is the one supplying the lube.
  3. Mince

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  4. mistawiskas

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    from what i've witnessed firsthand:
    zilch, it's slanted as all gettout. For one, nobody ever had to press "1" to speak english rather than german or galic or italian. The last apartments I lived at, had three families of, up to, three generations of undocumented immigrants living there. None even thought that learning english would be a good idea and all were on public assistance (hud, food stamps, TATNF-cash, medicaid and education grants) while the males went to work doing landscape maintenance, kitchen work and construction for legal immigrants under the table. Those earnings were all sent back to Mexico and not a penny went to taxes. My next door neighbor......was green carded and spoke rough english. There were not less than 6 illegals staying with him at any given time. He'd get those immigrants here and the women on welfare thereby getting food, health coverage and housing. The next thing you know, he's back down to Mexico getting another batch.....rinse and repeat. Many of the women getting welfare would get apartments at the same complex and I'd get to watch them spit out a new kid every year. After the first kid, the couple'd get alot more outgoing and brave because they knew they'd not risk getting deported any longer.

    News stories can say a lot of different things. But none yet, have matched anything like what I witnessed in a 11 year span.

    Don't like Arizona's immigration law? How about we install Mexico's immigration law instead?



    http://indyposted.com/20632/tougher-than-arizonas-immigration-law-and-no-protests/
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  6. mistawiskas

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    It's a delema laced conundrum alrighty. So the answer and sollution is ......what? To do nothing?
    My thinking tells me that the best thing to try is to get these freeloaders off of public assistance and onto the tax rolls. At least let the same
    rules apply to them as the rest of the population. No more free rides and no more handouts to undocumenteds. IE: get them documented!
    and tax the living piss out of money wired to Mexico.
    If they feel more a "part of" this nation, they'd be more likely to want to blend with us rather than bleed us dry.
    In other words, take the criminal aspect out of the Arizona legislation and insert a choice: get documented or leave.
    We, as a nation, cannot even possibly know the exact impact our "guests" are having on our resources or society, without accurate data.
    Right now it's all guess work no matter how the numbers are presented.
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    They were interviewing a liberal judge from LA the other day on the BBC and it was pretty funny. He was going on and on about how hard it is in Mexico, and how the people were just looking for work and a better life, etc. The BBC journalist said "Perhaps, but does that really change the fact that they're violating international borders and laws?" :lol: He really never answered her.
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  9. mistawiskas

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    Well, if you feed a flea bitten dawg brewers yeast, the fleas don't simply dissappear into a parallel universe :-k (wrap your head around that one)
  10. ivanolo

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    They'll move to a different state, possibly triggering a chain reaction and forcing that state to establish laws similar to Arizona's. Wash, rinse, and repeat.

    That's the best case scenario, IMO.
  11. MSP

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    Ohio's already working on similar legislation here.
  12. Mince

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    As stated before, this law is a problem for legal US citizens. So just because someone looks "illegal" you're going to stop them and interrupt their day? And if they are legal, but don't have evidence because they forgot their ID or whatnot, they should get arrested? (just having your license and SS wont cut it, anyone can get those)

    I suppose it should be equal... so since everyone can look "illegal" everyone in the US should be caring around papers that prove you're a legal US citizen or resident. I guess the cops have to suspect everyone right? oh wait...

    That's not going to happen...

    I'm for stronger border control but not sure if this is the way to do it.
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    They'll just move to texas, we're a bit of a sanctuary state. Gov. Perry has already said he won't pass a law similar to Arizona's. (I can't tell if it's because he actually cares about civil rights, or if it's because he's in the pocket of every corporation and company in this state. I'm going with corruption.)

    I'll say it again though: Taller fences, Wider gates.
  14. Goofus Maximus

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    Personally, I think they're going after the wrong target. If you read what Mista Whiskas says about the tax situation, you realize the ones not paying taxes aren't the immigrants, but their employers (who should be taking this straight out before the paycheck is issued)

    I think we need to crack down on employers, fining them for using 3rd-party employee "providers" to shield themselves from direct involvement in hiring the low-wage illegals they actually want. The "3rd parties get busted, close down, and open at a new address with a new name, and continue on.

    Employers should be fined for using 3rd-party employment services that are found to have used illegals extensively. 3rd-party employment providers should have to have regular inspections and a license/permit system to keep track of them, with criminal penalties for unlicensed providers. Houses built with illegal labor should be confiscated from the builders, and factories run with illegal labor should be shut down. People who don't make sure of the status of their employees or job-seekers before hiring or "providing them to employers", should face jail time rather than (or along with) fines.

    Simply put, the illegals won't come here illegally, if there aren't any jobs for illegals to hold. Drug cartels won't then have illegals to act as "mules" to smuggle drugs into America, though we still need to do something about the flow of arms back into Mexico.
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    ^^^ YES YES YES! As with any infestation if you remove the food supply the vermin will scatter! :D

    But all joking aside, going after the businesses is a lot easier than going after the individual beaners.
  16. mistawiskas

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    And those requesting public assistance should be required by law to proove citizenship. When you stop feeding the situation, it will go away or, at the very least, get better. It really pisses me off when education and police get thier budgets cut because states can't make ends meat. Yet they're not alowed to inquire as to the legal status of people seeking public assistance in order to determine elligability.

    In Oregon:
    http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/Oregon_state_spending.html#usgs302a

    Mexicans aren't here simply to fill jobs that citizens do not want to do. They kinda like the freebees too. Shit, some make more on freebees, than I do working after taxes.
  17. ivanolo

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    My family and I worked hard to move here, and we did things by the book. I don't agree with people coming here illegally. Still, if this law really lets police officers stop you and imprison you for not carrying papers that prove you're a citizen... I can't say I support it.

    Going after businesses who hire illegal labor makes the most sense, but... couldn't it backfire and make companies move their operations abroad? Just a thought.
  18. mistawiskas

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    They already are.
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  19. ivanolo

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    I guess that's the "safety net's safety net" for states that set the minimum wage too low or have no minimum wage law.
  20. Goofus Maximus

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    A little addendum after the word "work": For the paltry amount of money the illegal got.

    The employers who decry the lack of immigrant labor all say the same thing. "U.S. residents won't work here for these wages!" because those wages are so ridiculously low that only those living in near homelessness can live off them... :D
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  23. mistawiskas

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    Ummmm.......................
    is this the joke?

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    immigration or invasion?

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