How ironic that a black man has destroyed Obama...

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by MSP, Mar 14, 2008.

  1. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    When a white person is proud to be white they call it "racism", because it is! I prefer to be proud over the things in my life that I actually had some control over, such as my children, career, etc. I agree with Heavy-D that racism will never go away, but it would probably help quite a bit if the African American community didn't focus on it so much. I didn't really think of Obama as a black man, who cares? Well, not until has pastor started spewing all the hate anyway.
  2. HEAVY-D

    HEAVY-D Eh?!

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    Thanks ninalovell but you are wasting your breath here. Most here don't believe slavery happened or that their was a Jim Crow era. Once slavery was abolished and Jim Crow laws were gone, we just walk into the sunset hand in hand singing "We are the World" and everything is otay. 300+ years of being less than human suddenly disappeared lol. Of course, if you take a good look at the world you'll see similar situations played out all over.
    In South Africa they are trying Reconciliation which is better than not trying at all. The roots of evil still live inside us in our DNA no matter how much we try to deny it. It will take several generations to minimize the damage. The mental conditioning to be a slave is still with us and that is what must be dealt with.

    PS I live in Texas but am from La. I don't celebrate Juneteenth because IMO it's a BS holiday. Blacks got shafted for another year and a half while other were free.
  3. Wedge_

    Wedge_ Rogue One

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    That pride and differentiation is one reason racism is going to be around for the foreseeable future. But don't mind me, I just get these funny moods sometimes where I think we could maybe turn ourselves into a semi-decent species one day :roll: Back to reality I go!

    "Most here don't believe slavery happened"? Where the hell are you getting that from?

    Oh please, slavery was and is a truly disgusting example of human behaviour, but to claim that it's "in your DNA" is so much bullshit. For example, if you raised a kid descended from slaves without ever telling them that it had ever happened, would they still magically have this "slave mentality"? No. It's a cultural attitude, passed on to each new generation by the preceding one. If you stop making such a big deal out of the damn thing it might help to "minimize the damage". The slaves are hardly the only group of people in the world with things in their collective past that they would rather not have had to go through.
  4. smirnoff

    smirnoff Curmudgeon

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    I dont' know what to say to this heavyD. What would you have us do?! What has to happen so we can all move forward?! I hope you're statement about most not believing slavery happened is just a hyperbole or something.
  5. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    Anything that is all-or-nothing will not be a comprimise. The reason racism, gender discrimination and the like will continue, is because of the human trait on all sides to not give an inch and righteous resentments. Gaining "special rights.......a big stumbling block that causes anger. What feeds bigotry?
    What causes inequity of economics? Why are people trying so hard to live in the problem and not live in a sollution? These questions have to be answered to the satisfaction of everyone before there is even a chance at chipping away at the discrimination. it sux dirty canal water that people, no matter what color, gender or preference can't just be called people. we have to have lables for everything, (q)why? (a) to be able to assess blame. It happens that the human condition is disseased by the need to blame results on something other than one's own actions. Human's are addicted to quick fixes. The problem: not enough taking of personal responsibility for the consequenses of actions and words. The sollution: stop putting blame on someone else and start figuring out what we ourselves did to contribute to
    consequenses. If enough people live in the sollution, rather than live in the problem, the problem(s) will go away. Looking at the past right through to the present, I'd say not enough people were living in the sollution. This doesn't apply to only the issues of discrimination/oppression, but anything that can be construed as a "problem".
  6. MSP

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    I believe slavery happened, my family actually owned them at one point. And in the decade prior to the civil war they moved to the North and set them free. I don't take any credit or blame for their actions, it's just DNA that I share with them.

    But here's the thing that really disturbs me. I know that a lot of African Americans feel the way that Heavy-D does. I've got nothing against them, wish them well, and welcome them, etc. But if the majority don't want to be my friend, why would I want them in my community? Seriously, if they're hell bent on harboring these feeling towards me, for things I did not do and have no way of undoing, why should we maintain an integrated society?
  7. Wedge_

    Wedge_ Rogue One

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    I don't really think there's ever been an "integrated society", and I don't think there will be until we have the ability to start rewiring some of the more primitive parts of our brains.
  8. HEAVY-D

    HEAVY-D Eh?!

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    My post was meant to get your attention. What I've given you is a small sample of hate recovery which is passed down from generations who saw no justice in their day. Todays generation is very lucky but many don't know it. They are angry but don't know why and in many cases don't have anyone to explain to them what's going on inside them and how to deal with it. Many older people still remember what it was like in the Jim Crow era and sometimes pass their anger and disgust onto the next generation without understanding how much harm they cause.
    Found a video with some very good points.

    YouTube - No Apologies for Slavery by The Southern Avenger

    Found another.

    YouTube - TalkTruth About the New Black Slavery Battle with the Mind!
  9. ivanolo

    ivanolo Guest

    What do you want? The white man today owes you shit. It's not his fault his ancesters enslaved yours.
  10. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    And the sollution is?
    Education.
  11. HEAVY-D

    HEAVY-D Eh?!

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    Watch the videos then give an intelligent answer.
    Thanks
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    I liked the videos a lot, although I have no idea where either came. The 2nd was particularly awesome. Who is that guy?
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    I've watched the videos and I'm still trying to understand exactly what you're trying to achieve with these posts. I don't see how the videos have any relevance here other than confirming what I already said about the existence of this strange collective cultural obession with slavery.

    I think ivanolo's "What do you want?" is a perfectly valid question here. Are you just trying to start arguments and patronise people or do you actually have something to say that's worth my time to read?
  14. krod

    krod Junior Member

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    jeez, never mind
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    WoodButcher just me

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    Hey D, I take it you agree w/ Mitchell from the 2nd vid? I do, sadly he could have been talking about my youngest son. My kid is only 15, soon to drop out of school. I can't force him to see, these things, slavery is behind us, inequality for educated people is gone, racism? we will never abolish. The things we need to learn are simple, we make our own bed, our place in life is not pre-determined. Don't blame others for where you are or where you will be.
    As for the original posts, vids of Obama's preacher? I don't believe Obama would bring the preacher to the white house, those were his pastors thoughts, not necessarily Obama's. I don't see the big deal, this is a political race and the dirt is being dug up, I have a close friend that was into the John Birch thing, does that make me like him? I hope not. "Archie Bunker" makes me laugh, so what? Obama seems a good sort, I don't like McCain.
  16. krod

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    Right on. An I certainly wasn't taking a shot at black people in my post. I was just saying, it's still there for the taking, you just have to want it bad enough.
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    smirnoff Curmudgeon

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    There is so many branches to this discussion. It's kind of a mess for a single thread. Nevertheless those two videos were really good finds.
  18. HEAVY-D

    HEAVY-D Eh?!

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    What do I want from White people? Nothing. Have I asked you for anything? No.
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    WoodButcher just me

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    instigator!

    Thanks D, I do appreciate your input, many of your posts have given me food for thought.
    I wonder how many whites will vote for or support Obama to promote the idea that they are not prejudiced.
  20. log1c

    log1c The Underwriter

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    I'm going to ramble here for a while, so you've been warned:


    Do you really want to know who is excited about voting Barack Obama???

    Those on the left, those in the middle, and maybe those who lean a little to the right who are sick of seeing the same old politician, same old wolf, in sheep's clothing. That's right, McCain is a Washington Insider... talks out of both sides of his mouth. Hillary Clinton?? She's a power hungry individual who would happily steam roll anybody to get into the Presidency just so she can wield the biggest stick in the world to try and cram socialized everything down our throats without truly thinking that people can still take care of their own lives. I think the middle are a little fed up of depending on Clintons, Gores, and Bushs to make up national policy, and want a fresh voice and direction.

    Barack Obama is a breath of fresh air from all the Washington shxt that has been piling up for the past 20+ years. He comes from a relatively humble past, and doesn't owe so many goddamn favors to so many lobbyists that he can't keep track. I could see him installing a cabinet of folks who do not necessarily tow the company line,... who do not eat and shit the Democratic party dogma. He offers a unique way, perhaps partly due to his skin color as well, for our nation to really rally behind the "individual", and propel our nation in a truly new direction internationally and domestically...

    I am a die-hard conservative.... Huckabee/Paul had my vote. I in no way endorse a majority of his political views regarding national security, healthcare, and taxes. But between all the numskulls that have been candidates in the past 8 years, Barack Obama is someone who can finally inspire people to truly believe in the Presidency as a position of respect, dignity, and courage.

    The way he has handled "race" in the political process to the White House has been absolutely stunning. He could, at any time, start rallying behind his ethnicity, use it as a crutch, or a lightning rod for his supporters!! However, he deflects attention away from it, because he wants to talk ideas, talk hope, and talk about the future. Ronald Reagan was the last great president, and he did it because of his candor and willingness to tackle real issues. The rest just want to propel the status quo, and that's my honest opinion. I really think I could embrace Barack Obama as my next President.


    Cliff notes: Barack Obama will get support from left, right, middle, independents because he is a washington outsider, and USA seems ready for that again. We are ready for inspiration, hope and a new direction. I am a die-hard conservative, I do not personally support BO's politics, but could embrace BO as President.
  21. SoulAssassin

    SoulAssassin Car Ramrod

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    You could've posted in my thread and not MSP's...so there :p
  22. ThatHideousStrength

    ThatHideousStrength Junior Member

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    Barack Obama is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
  23. Torx

    Torx Indigenous Nudist

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    all of them are fucking puppets.
  24. krod

    krod Junior Member

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    Where are the people who started this post? Off to another forum to stir the melting pot and copy/paste their "feelings". I have a prediction, the way shit is going, by the convention, both sides are going to be so worked up that no matter who gets the nomination, the other side is going to vote for McCain out of nothing more than spite. This may be a landslide not seen since Reagan/Carter. Just my opine.
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    Barack is the one guy who doesnt feel like just another party/lobbyist puppet. He has kept honorable in his campaign, not focusing on denouncing other but rather talking about his strengths. He speaks intelligently and he knows his bounds and limits.
    I really dont know where you guys get off ripping on him for talking about hope. Have things really gotten so corrupted and twisted that we cant believe anything that come out of politicians mouths anymore? Sue me, but I actually believe alot of what he says. McCain is another republican, end of story. Hes another military/industrialist who believes that the war in iraq is working and that violence and loss of human life is ok. He doesnt need to have real intelligence or grasp of the nation, conservatives will line up and push that republican button everytime, no questions asked.

    In short, I really think that fresh, liberal thinking is what America needs. Obviously conservatives havent done anything constructive for awhile, they continuously proven that they are suckers for corruption, party politics, and getting their own kind rich. And as for his crazy ass pastor, seriously guys, do you think that Obama is going to get in the White House and start pushing radical, racist, anti-american bullshit? I m really astounded to see how much the media has sway over you guys. So he fucked up, at least he isnt a corrupt hypocrite douchebag.