How ironic that a black man has destroyed Obama...

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  1. tweakmonkey

    tweakmonkey Webmaster Staff Member

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    Pfft, experience... the one thing Bush and his crew does have. As for talking about hope and change...

    YouTube - Clinton on Fear Vs Hope

    The thing I like about Obama is his solutions use really cool stuff like science, logic and reason. If you have any doubts about this, check the Google Tech Talks where he's asked challenging questions by the smartest guys around.

    YouTube - Barack Obama: Q and A from Google employees I

    YouTube - Barack Obama: Q and A from Google employees II

    I especially liked his answers about privacy and what he had to say about net neutrality. He doesn't think our government should be able to read our emails.To fix complicated problems he wants to have open-discussions and even broadcast the talks on the Internet. It's not really a revolutionary idea, but it sure is beyond what Clinton's been preaching.

    He's the most in-touch with my generation, as a webmaster and tech goon in my 20s. How can one expect a 70-year old POW to understand a damn thing about our generation, whose lives are wrapped around technology, or the ones that will likely be hurt or benefit from those that follow? They won't even be alive to see the results of many of their policies.
  2. Jackalope

    Jackalope NNNNEEERRRRDDDSSSSS!!!!!!

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    no no, I meant not nameing news threwad like "Holy fucking shit midgets!" or somethign that could be misconstrued as inappropriate so as to give the site a bad name
  3. jman2439

    jman2439 New Member

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    Just politics...I think it is unfortunate how the wrong decision has been made in most of the recent elections. Makes me wonder of democracy works at all...when everyone gets the same vote...whether you're the village idiot of a Rodes scholar. A bunch of the village idiots say "that Bush fella said he's goin' to solve our problems" and they vote him in. The best candidate we have is the no-name guy (Ron Paul) on the republican side. He seems to really get it when it comes to america's role in the world and some of the problems that have been caused.
  4. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    If experience means knowing how to push through legislation that benefits big businesses and making sure your friends get a piece of the action or knowing how to get away with corruption and other scandals I'll pass. If experience means showing loyalty only to your party and creating an atmosphere where compromise isn't an option I'll pass. If experience means being content with status quo and not pushing america to be held to higher standards or at the very least holding america to the same standards we require of other countries, I'll pass. If experience means to be short sided and not see the big picture then I say if it's broke, fix it! It's time to get rid of experience and let the unexperienced try;)
  5. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    I agree and disagree. If anyone did any kind of research on bush and his past they would have easily seen that he was not qualified in any way.

    I do believe that ron paul was the best candidate because I felt he truly understood whats at stake and whats need to change the direction we are in. I think obama understands as well but not to the same degree, however one area I think obama has an edge on RP is his ability to bring together people across political lines (something RP was not able to do. Hell his own party laughed at him).

    Hillary is too focused on health care to see how other issues play into the overall big picture and I get the impression that other issues will take a back seat but the one thing she does lack is the ability to bring people together across party lines.

    As for mccain, he has been in the system too long and isn't willing to challenge the system let alone change it. He also lacks the understanding of the bigger picture, whether it be the economy, health care, or foreign policy. That and I could never vote for a guy that doesn't understand the economy or at least the basics like inflation or how interest rates work.
  6. jman2439

    jman2439 New Member

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    This part of your post says a lot. I don't think many in their 20's recognize the value of experience. I listened to part of the clips you posted. I heard a lot about bringing sides together...changing Washington...etc.

    Yeah he answered some questions but I don't think he really gets it. For example...he's been hammering away on Clinton's vote to go to war. She explained clearly that she voted to use the threat of war. For those that play poker, you know that if you're intent is to bluff...you don't show your cards. So it's not like they could vote for a resolution to "threaten" to go to war. It was Bush who took things too far, not Clinton. The threat of force is a valid one. It is simple negotiation. The fact that he does not accept that answer goes against his message and/or suggests he is playing politics. Doesn't sound like any kind of change to me. He just does not have much of a record to scrutinize, so he can get away with it.

    Again, I'm surprized how nieve people can be when the next person comes along preaching "Change" and "Hope". Everyone just buys in. You can look back at clips of candidates running when film first came out saying the same thing. It's the oldest message around. I'd rather vote for someone with some history that I can evaluate, not someone who was supposedly truthful during an interview while running for office.

    BTW, I'd vote Obama before McCain, so your comments are a bit off base assuming I'm a McCain supporter.
  7. jman2439

    jman2439 New Member

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    I agree with most of what you said. Hillary cannot bring people together...McCain is useless and out of touch. I'm not sure how much Obama gets it though. I just don't think he has the experience to implement what he believes and this pastor issue may eliminate his ability to bring people together.

    If Obama had not done so well, they could have teamed up as president and VP and Obama could have gained some really valuable experience. But now that they've gone at each other so agressively, I think that option is off the table.
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    Did that with Bush. It did not go well.

    The country is so permanantly polarized, that I do not think there is any going back.
  9. tweakmonkey

    tweakmonkey Webmaster Staff Member

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    I'm not talking about any of those specific topics. I'm talking about Obama's general approach toward problem solving. Toward the end of the second clip I watched (it's long, I know. Try skipping ahead if you can't wade through it), he talks about his approach toward solving problems like education and No Child Left Behind.

    His solution is to take experts from both sides and his panel, have everyone sit around a big table, and talk it out. He says he'd broadcast the whole discussion on the Internet so everyone could see it to know what's going on. Maybe this strategy is a complete lie and he'd never do it. But if I'm going to believe anything in this election, the general approach toward fixing problems he offers (compared with the traditional "I'll do whatever the lobbyists want and not tell anyone a damned thing about it" that we currently see) seems like a very fresh approach.

    I'm more into his intelligent, rational approach in solving problems than rhetoric in his speeches. He doesn't woo me with his talking, he woos me with his magnetic brainpower that's clearly different than Clinton or McCain, who have comparable lobotomies when it comes to logic.

    I wasn't directing my post toward you or anyone here, I was just justifying why I choose Obama over McCain or Clinton. Age and experience matter, for sure. I value the wisdom my senior-citizen parents share with me, but I barely trust them behind the wheel of a car and certainly wouldn't want them running the country. The reason is that the decisions they'd make are based on the past. The present is the problem and the future is what's trying to be preserved. That may sound like a bad reason to vote for someone, but I firmly believe the country would be in better hands with someone like the CEO of Google running it than someone like Bush, Cheney, or McCain... but those guys are in power for a number of reasons which we won't get into here.

    Experience in the traditional, jacked-up politics we've experienced for the past 20 years don't qualify you for shit except to confirm you know how to do what hasn't worked and clearly isn't working now.
  10. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    Blame Hillary's inexperience for that one:p


    I'm basing my views on legislation obama has co authored and how many independents and other non democrats that have rallied behind him. He has brought a lot of people together (something bush never did even when he had the chance).

    Obamas past is also a tall tale of where he has been and where he is headed.
  11. tweakmonkey

    tweakmonkey Webmaster Staff Member

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  12. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    QFT!
  13. crowchaser

    crowchaser not to be taken seriously

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  14. Torx

    Torx Indigenous Nudist

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    DUDE!! when are the shirts going to be ready :) summer is almost here and im ready to represent!
  15. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    Again, more talk from you that anyone not voting Democratic is "dumb". Fiddy, you've become a bit of a liberal zealot, and arrogant to boot.

    But as for me not liking Obama, I really didn't have any negative opinions of him before this. He presents himself well, he's smart, and he certainly looks like a super star standing next to Hillary. And the Republicans certainly don't have a candidate that gets my heart pumping either.

    Anyway, believe whatever you will. The preacher IS a zealot, and a racist, and made anti-American statements. And he's been associated with Obama for years, and was even traveling with him on the election trail. A man is judged by his actions, but also the company he keeps. Just ask yourself - if you were running for office, would you surround yourself with like minded people or not?
  16. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    I seriously do not know what to think. both fiddy and MSP have points. What I do know:
    a)the media is a manipulative entity that blows things out of proportion
    b)my vote can go either way, I'm neither dem or repub
    c)race or gender do not mean shit...it's: "can the person do the job?"
    d)I sincerely don't believe in any candidates ability
    e)no change will take place
    f) my vote has to be based on other nations respecting the person in office and the possibility of repairing the damage done to international relations by the current admin.
  17. obamasupporter

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    Fair enough ~ I have always voted for democrats and I personally oppose the war ~ and contrary to belief Hillary should not have been nieve in thinking that by voting for a war (that she claims to not have wanted) that it would somehow not take place. Bush made it very clear for even school age kids to comprehend that he was going to war ~ and either she was too worried to go against her peers in politics or those who are in command, or she doesn't have the capacity to stand up for what she claims to believe in. And what is most important to America. That said I am not a Hillary hater but it doesn't make sense to keep on when from the jump start she has not based her decisions on what is truth and fact. And for some reasons she believes their is an excuse for doing so. So for me its all about 1st impressions ~ you can't say war would be ok, then go to war, and when things get out of hand, say oh gosh ~ this is not really what I wanted to happen ~ just doesn't fly with me.

    Your Truly,
  18. SoulAssassin

    SoulAssassin Car Ramrod

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    I wish more genesis's would run for president instead of just posting about it.
  19. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    IMOH: The way a polititian vote for or against an issue has no bearing on what they truely believe. The votes in congress are manipulated and usually dictated by the other things (riders) placed on the bill. this is how bad laws come to be. IE: A law to kill all third children in families is presentd. bad law , right? but connected to said bill, is funding (pork barrel) for all the key
    rep's and congressmen's state/districts. so to get the votes afforded by the "favors to states" the member votes to kill all third kids. and visa versa. A good law will have riders put on them that won't get passed any other way. The vote goes out and gets defeated because of the riders, not because the meat and potatoes of the bill. The presz needs to be able to do line item vetos to counteract this shit. But It'll never happen because that would be giving the prez some actual power. I mainatain that the presidency is nothing but a figurehead, a formality and scapegoat.......and everyone buys into the smokescreen. it really doesn't matter who we vote for. Nothing changes if nothing changes. I've witnessed 50 years of politics, and guess what? Every single candidate has promissed change. The only change has been that people get less and less say in what effects thier lives the most and everything stays the same in DC.
  20. HEAVY-D

    HEAVY-D Eh?!

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    It's all about the loopholes. Gotta have those loopholes on why you did this or why you didn't do that.

    And Fiddy, don't worry about the "Liberal" lable since Conservatives and Liberals suck serious azz. LOL

    Anyway, this thread has become tiresome.

    [​IMG]
  21. Coleman

    Coleman fresh off the corner

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    I think living in Memphis may have made you severely retarded.

    As for all of this jazz... well, it's disappointing to hear of Obama's affiliation with this man but I'm not going to let this sway my decision too much. His campaign doesn't come down to having religious figures saving the US so it shouldn't matter in the long run.
  22. log1c

    log1c The Underwriter

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    i disagree with line item vetoes. i do not think the president sould have de facto legislatve power. If he disagrees with a bill, let him/her veto the entire bill as the legislative branch has presented it. Let the legislative branch re-work it until it is agreeable with the executive branch. Having a line item veto is not a reasonable "balance of power" between the two branches.

    I do encourage our legislative branch to cut pork-barrel spending legislation. Full transparency to this practice should be DEMANDED by our people, RISE UP!
  23. ninalovell

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    Most Black Americans aren't as patriotic as white America. My sister and I had this conversation just last night. We celebrate the 4th of July but for different reasons more than likely. We're happy to be apart of an independent nation, but when America was celebrating its independence in 1776, blacks were still enslaved. Therefore, Black America more than likely is just happy to be free. Let's get real -- Black Texans STILL celebrate Juneteenth, which is the day in June that the slaves found out they were free, which by the way was a year and a half after the ratifying of the 13th amendment. Michelle was being honest when she said this one of the first times she's been really proud to be an American. Unless a person has gone out of the country and had to stand up for, or be persecuted for being an American, the passion and fever most White America feels just always hasn't been there for most of Black America. 9/11 brought us all closer, and for me that and the 4th of July Old Navy T-shirts are as patriotic as I get aside from elections. Sure we celebrate and are happy for our freedoms and are happy to be here, but we are not excited at the circumstances that brought us here. And while most of it is in the past, we're mostly about 2 generations from it -- at least I am. Out of respect for grandparents, certain things weren't said and/or done. That's just the way it is. However, as Obama said this opens up the dialogue for us to move past it. I certainly enjoy the friendships I have with my non-black friends just as much as I do my black friends. With Obama being one of the best contenders for the presidency, non-black America simply gets to eavesdrop a little into the dialogue of Black America. Sadly it's always been there but America hasn't really taken a step aside in a concerted effort to listen in awhile. Racisim (and sexism) isn't over. Blacks and women deal with it everyday. America just gets to finally hear how we get over it -- with a little bit of hope some day we'll all be free.
  24. Wedge_

    Wedge_ Rogue One

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    Can I give you a tip? Continuing to forcibly insert the word "black" before every noun that is unfortunate enough to wander into range is not exactly promoting the idea that we're all just people, or that regarding skin colour as important is incredibly stupid.
  25. ninalovell

    ninalovell New Member

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    You tell "them" skin color isn't important. I'm just proud to be who I am and am just making the diffientiation.