How ironic that a black man has destroyed Obama...

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  1. krod

    krod Junior Member

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    Instead of promising what they are going to change, I think they should stump on the check they are going to write me on the way out...Bubba's givin me 1,200...do I have 1,500?...once...twice...
  2. jman2439

    jman2439 New Member

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    It does matter...it speaks to character

    I am responding to Ninalovell...very well written by the way. I have no trouble with the pastor expressing his thoughts. In fact, based on his age, I can understand why he would hold the beliefs he does. But that time is over.

    The issue is that Obama has aligned himself with him. Others in this thread have suggested that this does not matter becasue republicans already don't like Obama and Democrats won't care...however, the people on the fence DO matter and they WILL care. Those are the voters that Obama needs to defeat McCain and even to win the nomination in the 1st place. That was one of the positives Obama had going for him...was that he could beat McCain. That may no longer be the case.

    It would be different if someone attacked him based on race. That would actually help him. I think most americans are NOT racist and have no problem with a black man being president. The problem for Obama is that he has aligned himself with the type of black person americans don't like...someone who still thinks there is a race war...a Jesse Jackson type figure...only more extreme. If you don't think people who were previously "inspired" by his message of hope and unification will care about this, you are mistaken.

    There is also the fact that his wife made a statement that "for the first time, she is actually proud to be an american". That sounds a lot like she's been influenced by the anti-american rhetoric from this pastor. This seems to be a situation where some true colors are showing...like the other person said, sitting in these sermons for 20 years...he must have liked what he heard. It's not like he could not have gone to another church.
  3. obamasupporter

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    Obama is a Winner ~ Check the Truth

    It is no surprise that the US is in the current state it is in with the economy, health care, housing, eduction, debt, war, etc. etc. etc. The efforts to disregard what is factual to ones own gain is not political but un-ethical.

    It is sad that we would rather make elementary arguments (he said, she said)than deal with the truth and then continue to cover it up and turning good into bad. I think this is the perfect time for America to take a look in the mirror and not be ashamed about the TRUTH but then do what is right for a change.

    Question for thought: So is every member of a Catholic church that took spiritual advise from their Priest that was later found to be a child molester be judged based on the actions of him that committed this horrid sin and should they denounce and leave the Church???? And remember regardless of what your answer may be, the history on what has already transpired is TRUTH.

    Sincerely,

    An American Citizen
  4. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    I'll quote this since you didn't read the link:



    Has mccain made a similar statement?
  5. jman2439

    jman2439 New Member

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    Getting advice from your pastor and having him endorse your presidential compaign are two very different things...and as far as the issues go, Clinton and Obama and very similar on the issues, so it becomes a matter of character, experience, and other intangibles. That's why this hurts him.
  6. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    Can I ask where did you come from? As in are you an obama campaigner? Is there a team of you scouring the internet for these types of posts and responding?
    I noticed that no one has yet to counter with any attacks on the opposition, is this a rule that's come down from the top?
  7. ninefivezero

    ninefivezero infinite resolution

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    Man, who are these fools?
  8. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    They certainly are. I'd take support from anyone, kkk, ms-13, if it would help me get elected, yet I'd never get advice from anyone that associates with those groups.

    I doubt any advice obamas paster gives him would in anyway relate to running the country.
  9. jman2439

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    I don't think it is McCain you have to worry about right now. It's Clinton. She's the only one without a far left or far right religious extremest connection...Obama does not have this thing wrapped up yet. It will be the super delegates who decide. It would have been difficult for them to go against Obama if he was widely considered to be the best person to defeat McCain AND had more deligates going into the convention. But this may change things. The republicans would be all over this. They were able to take half truths about John Kerry and destroy him. Imagine what they'll do with this...
  10. Jackalope

    Jackalope NNNNEEERRRRDDDSSSSS!!!!!!

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    If I were running for an office, I would want just about anyone's endorsement. Just saying.

    also, this is a load of crap.Everything so far I have seen against Obama are ad hominem attacks. Whatever happened to politics being decided by a persons stance on issues, whether their ideas work or not, and their voting record?
  11. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    Based off of previous primaries and current delegate/popular vote count, Hillary is pretty much out.
  12. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    Exactly. Like I said, its a non issue (for both sides).
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    It is not the advice I'd be worried about. This pastor influenced him for years and years. The fact that he kept going to that church DOES say something about Obama. I didn't like what my pastor said, so I switched churches. I had no intention of exposing my kids to his message, which was not nearly as offensive or radical as Obama's pastor.
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    It has been widely reported that neither candidate has the votes to capture the nomination outright...and that the super deligates will have to decide. So I'm not sure how you think it is over.
  15. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    What does it say?

    Is obama going to come out when becomes president and say, "Ha ha! kill whitey!".

    Exactly what could he possibly do to hurt america more than it has been hurt already?
  16. krod

    krod Junior Member

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    Hey, besides politics, what's your interest in this site?
  17. obamasupporter

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    I am not sure why it matters where I came from - as everyone has a right to speak according the 1st amendment. The comment I responded to is linked to the CNN website (Controversial minister off Obama's campaign - CNN.com) ~ it doesn't take a genesis to open a webpage and read current posts, but hey I take it as a compliment ~ thank you :)

    I can only hope that my statement(s) will encourage you and all else that we really should be looking at what is TRUTH and then doing what is right based on the TRUTH.

    The TRUTH will set you (us) Free!
  18. Jackalope

    Jackalope NNNNEEERRRRDDDSSSSS!!!!!!

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    good luck finding that in America (or anywhere else for that matter)

    Vote Ron Paul! :)
  19. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    lol

    She would need to win each remaining state by at least 60% to win, how many states has she won with that kind of lead?

    Sure super delegates could help but if obama wins the delegate vote and the popular vote (both of which are very possible, considering he has the lead in both now) how likely would it be for super delegates to go against the peoples will? Unless democrats would rather commit suicide rather than nominate obama, it's pretty unlikely that they would go against the "grain".
  20. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    Holy sh!t I can't believe a tech site was linked! Thats crazy!


    As you can tell I was surprised to see a tweak3d post in the comments so I was not aware of how you found this site.

    That being said, would you mind posting your reasons for voting for obama versus the other candidates?
  21. Jackalope

    Jackalope NNNNEEERRRRDDDSSSSS!!!!!!

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    holy crap that's crazy. I think I will be more careful what titles I use in news threads from now on, lest people get the wrong idea of what this place is about.
  22. jman2439

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    Kill Whitey...that's funny...

    To answer your question...a lot. You'd be putting him in charge of the most powerful nation in the world. All I'm saying is that he's influenced by this and you could make a solid argument that he did not have any real problem with what the pastor said. Your set of beliefs matter when it comes to policy decisions.

    In reality, my biggst concern comes with his lack of experience and that fact that he speaks mostly about hope and change...like no other politician has ever said that. Perhaps it is posible to dig up clips of Bush when he ran against Gore. That was his message and look how well he did.
  23. Jackalope

    Jackalope NNNNEEERRRRDDDSSSSS!!!!!!

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    well, in his defense he did make alot of changes. And he has created hope. The hope that we'll get someone better in office to fix his shit! ;)
  24. tweakmonkey

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    I wish I knew what OT was about!

    BTW I'm wearing my T3D shirt complete with timeline on the back today. Actually I wear my T3D shirts almost every day. Coming soon to a store near you. :D
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    They won't have to go against the will of the people if the opinion of the people changes. If he falls out of favor, then that part will be easy. If they feel Obama has lost the moderates based on this issue and he can no longer defeat McCain, then it will be easy for them to vote that way.