How ironic that a black man has destroyed Obama...

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  1. smirnoff

    smirnoff Curmudgeon

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    Softball questions? He asked about the aids thing, and about god damn America thing. He's not bill o'rielly after all.

    Oriely: Rev Wright, do you blow fags?
    Wright: I'm not....
    Oreily: Shut up. Turn off his mike. You sir are a terrorist!

    But seriously, what would you have him ask?
  2. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    The controversial stuff was brought up almost off-hand, and brushed over very quickly. No hard hitting questions at all. It was just a pitiful interview. And now that Wright has come out and made a complete ass of himself again Moyers is going to try to defend him again and defend the interview. It's just embarrassing.

    But yeah, Bill O-Reilly and Fox News blow my mind. I've watched it a few times this week and cannot fathom how they manage to have the stones to say "Fair And Balanced" with a straight face. It's the most slanted news coverage I think I have ever seen.
  3. Commissar Smersh

    Commissar Smersh 2020 Staff Member

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    I absolutely did "educate myself".

    Who the man was and is now are not the same. Like I said in my post he's a distinguished professor not a prisoner.

    As for the Wright issue, I'll start being more concerned when McCain gets rid of his pastor who wants the US to invade Iran to bring about the second coming.
  4. HEAVY-D

    HEAVY-D Eh?!

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    Wright made a complete ass of himself and needs to be taken down a couple of notches. I have more respect for Obama for giving his former Pastor the benefit of the doubt even though it would hurt him in doing so which is more than most would do and something his former Pastor could learn from.
  5. MSP

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    The fact that Ayers isn't in prison for treason and domestic terrorism is a travesty of justice. How many people sitting in prison for murder have changed and reformed? Should we let all of them out? Or better yet, would you like them being advisers to the future president of the United States?

    And again, the McCain pastor thing is a thin and pitiful comparison. The phrase "grasping at straws" comes to mind every time he's mentioned.
  6. smirnoff

    smirnoff Curmudgeon

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    Wrights beliefs do seem more extreme to me than Hagee's. I don't want either one of them whispering in the ear of the future president. But in a way Hagee is much more of a concern to me for a couple reasons: where Wright makes outrageous claims Hagee seems to follow a more logical path to reach his conclusions; where Wright is just pissed off Hagee makes a calm and clear statement; Where Wright has little real world influence Hagee has one of the largest followings in the country, including senators and congressmen. Hagee and his members seem to be the ones who have the ear of policy makers. Hagee actually has influence where it counts, and if you add that ingredient to the comparison I think it does make it a valid one.

    And now things have changed. Wright is out of Obamas circle. Soon he'll be out of the spotlight entirely, probably never to be heard from again. Hagee isn't going anywhere.
  7. Commissar Smersh

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  8. Wedge_

    Wedge_ Rogue One

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    Hey, come on - rational discussion has no place in American politics! You'll just confuse the majority of the population that seem to vote based on their favourite "news" show [-X
  9. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    You know what the scarey thing is? What you said is really pretty much dead-nutz. people have been electing the prez by that criteria for along time now.....look what it's gotten the USofA.
  10. MSP

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    But it's the influence that is important. Wright could be killed crossing the street tonight, but his 20+ years of teaching (which Obama sat through) will live on. There are only two disturbing explanations for Obama associating with someone like that (and Ayers) for so long:

    1) He agrees with what was being said.

    2) He was ignorant of it and a horrible judge of character.

    Does either sound like someone who should be appointing cabinet members or supreme court judges? Does it sound like someone who should be making character judgments on foreign governments and officials and issues? Maybe for someone like Juballharshaw who is very partisan and very biased. But for a moderate like myself, for middle America? It's disturbing and rightly so.
  11. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    Influence? What the hell are you talking about? Have you looked at the history of either? Their actions speak louder than conjecture. Both are a freaken saint compared to George Bush, which may I remind you again, whom you voted for TWICE!
  12. tex

    tex jive turkey

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    Wellll, let's see - it was June - January of the last year, so you would be about spot fucking on. Minus the credit.

    I'm still trying to figure out where you are going with that.
  13. MSP

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    So you support Wright or Ayers? You agree with what they represent? Would you have sat in the pew for 20 years?
  14. HEAVY-D

    HEAVY-D Eh?!

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    People should be disturbed about Obama for three reasons. First he's proven he's not a Muslim and is in fact a Christian. Second if elected President he will bring back slavery and enslave all White Americans. Finally he will make sure all African Americans will be paid TRILLIONS of dollars in slavery reparations.
    These three reasons alone should keep decent people awake at night.
  15. ivanolo

    ivanolo Guest

    tex, it all boils down to this: just because something doesn't hit you doesn't mean it's not happening.
  16. smirnoff

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    You're right about that. I can't see anything excusing Obama from associating with Wright. Wright's so angry about certain things he's anything but levelheaded, it's plain as day! And I also agree that Obama's extensive connection to Wright could mean he either agree's or is a blind fool, but I think there is also a third possibility. Before this blew up in his face his connection to Wright might have been simply earning votes the way politicians have been earning votes for years, nothing more. Dubious though it is, one might just have to shrug and say that's politics. In this particular case it's a little unsettling that he wasn't more prudent in whose flag he put himself under, even if it was just a vote grab. Perhaps a closer look at any politician would reveal similar questionable ties. Is it just that Obama is getting the lion's share of the media focus, being the first black candidate (not rhetorical)? I'm getting a bit speculative I suppose, so I'll stop there.

    It's hard to like any of the main candidates at this point though isn't it guys? Nader anybody? If I had a vote, it'd be for him. At least he's still got integrity.
  17. HEAVY-D

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    Not 20 years ago cause I was very anti-religious then but today Hell yah I'd sit in those pews and love it. He puts on a good show.
  18. smirnoff

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    lol
  19. MSP

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    Ultimately it's not about race at all. Just character and one's judgment of it.
  20. ivanolo

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    Is it a pattern of lying or just an honest mistake? People with great character make mistakes, too, you know?
  21. MSP

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    Not for 20 years they don't.
  22. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    Let me put it this way.

    Lets say you are fresh out of college and you decide to intern at a place that does things related to what you like doing, lets say a tech company. You love all the things the company does and the products it makes and how it treats it's customers. You've got a lot of great ideas too and the company loves your ideas and in facts says, "You are great, you have a great vision and would be a real asset to this company, why not work for us and get paid for it?".

    So you, someone who likes what you are doing and likes what the company is doing decides to take the job.
    After taking the job you later find out that the boss isn't the best person in the world, sure he is nice but he doesn't have the same vision you do.

    What do you do? Sure you could quite and get another job but this job is located in your home town and has a really good reputation.

    Let's say you stick around. After working for the company for 20 years you have formed quite a relationship with all of the employees including your boss, you even hang out with them after work sometimes.
    Your boss, who even though has different views than you do has helped you out over the years giving you various promotions and what not, will be retiring and has a party.

    Do you attend the retirement party?
    After working with your boss for 20 years are you now just like your boss? Do you now have the same vision he does?
    Would you speak out at the party and call him out on how his vision for the company is wrong?




    Sure there are cases where guilt by association might be justified but considering Obama's primary reason for even going to this church was for what it was doing for the community and what that church allowed him to do for the community, I'd hardly call this a justified case of such an association.


    And if you guys can't make that distinction then I hope none of your co-workers have different views than what you have otherwise you've lost everything that makes you, you.
  23. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    For you to be calling into question ones judgment and to be judging the character of a political figure is laughable.

    :butthead::razz::cool::partyman:
  24. ivanolo

    ivanolo Guest

    You made your mind up about Wright and Obama a long time ago. You've just been looking for things to reinforce those beliefs.

    Have you been going to that church for 20 years? Do you know if Wright's sermons have always been like that? Could the fact that he was born in a time when racism was prevalent have shaped his beliefs? Could it be that he developed an outrageous style to bring more people to his church? Is he the only black reverend that talks like that? Is this an aspect of black religiousness that you're not familiar with? Do people that go to a church agree 100% with what their pastor says?

    In any case, you can know people for a number of years and not find out who they really are until their true character is revealed by some turn of events. You hear about it all the time: seemingly normal people with regular problems who, all of a sudden, go and shoot their classmates, kill their wives, turn out to be transvestites, or commit suicide. Are you supposed to be able to pinpoint who everybody is?
  25. tex

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    I don't have a huge problem with the fact that it happened, just the way its being handled now. For some reason politicians lack the ability to throw their hands up and say "ooops I fucked up."

    I just happened across this too:
    NATIONAL JOURNAL: 2007 Vote Ratings (03/07/2008)

    Disclaimer: I'm not anti-obama, I'm anti-people voting for him and not knowing shit about whats going on, which has been by far the majority of his supporters that I have seen so far.

    I was surprised about this - I didn't really know a ton about him, but I was (up until now) thinking he would be better than Hilary. I'm reconsidering now.

    Oh, I'm well aware. I'm in one of the most economically-isolated areas in the nation. Housing actually went up 9% in my buddy's neighborhood last year. Sucks normally since everything stays artificially expensive, but it is great at times like these (gas and food don't really get the benefits though :( )
    I've seen the numbers on all of it and understand to a decent degree - the economy is not awful, and we're technically not even in a recession by traditional terms (2 quarters of declining GDP I believe it is, even though I think thats coming)