How ironic that a black man has destroyed Obama...

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  1. tex

    tex jive turkey

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    Not even close to being true.

    I was raised extremely catholic and went to catholic schools. (Which ironically has turned me staunchly deist). The only (hyperbole) preachers that are blinded by their own greatness are the celebrity ones like him (and joel osteen and his brethren)

    You seem to be making a weird case of standing for him...
  2. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    I didn't say all people of religion, I said those like him, as in the "celebrity" preachers as you call it.
  3. tex

    tex jive turkey

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    No you didn't:

    :p

    Ugh, I'm sick of everyone bitching about the economy. Its not that bad, and if you're fucked, you did it to yourself, no if's and's or but's. Especially the people who don't seem to understand any of the statistics/figures. "Unemployment is at 5%! We could be close to 0% if it wasn't for iraq!" wtf???
  4. MSP

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    Well, Wiskas is a good example of this not being exactly true. Not his fault that the housing market went to hell, or that his tools were stolen, or that he suffered an injury. The economy does suck, and Wiskas is a great example of how it's hit close to home. Now, who's to blame for the shitty economy? That is up for debate.
  5. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    You missed the next line;)

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  7. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    lol, a healthy economy does not ONLY correlate to a low unemployment rate. There are a lot of factors to include such as, export/import ratio, debt to savings ratios, inflation ratios (as in how much does x cost now vs 19xx), personal savings vs debt, profit margins, and a whole slew of other things.

    Sure America isn't going to suddenly turn into a 3rd world country and there will always be those that are successful because they invest wisely but that doesn't mean every thing picture perfect.

    What do you say to those that got laid off from their job? Was it their fault their company is trying to cut costs? Is it their fault that they cannot get a similar job that pays the same?


    You are pretty narrow minded tex and I hope you don't ever have tough times.
  8. tex

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    I'm well aware of the definitions of unemployment - the media (and thus the general populace) does not equate natural unemployment to anything. its a single absolute figure. It wasn't coincidence that I picked 5% - that seems to be the most often quoted figure for natural unemployment. That wiki article is sort of shit anyways, I've never heard the term "hidden unemployment" used - it seems to be blending seasonal with some other shit. It is well known that the gov't also accounts for drug dealers and other (illegal) jobs.

    I got laid off from Dell about 9 months ago and went thru 4 months of not working, right after having moved and been out of a job for 3. Life sucks sometimes, you don't overspend, and you save your money when times are good. It was a bit of an overgeneralization, but the general concept stands. The whole point is everyone is too quick to point the finger at someone else.

    I totally missed that apostrophe on your original comment. my mistake. =X
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  10. tex

    tex jive turkey

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    So if anything they're underreporting it? (not my opinion, but thats what that seems to say) It isn't an "accurate" statistic by any means, but it is historically what has been accepted, and it seems to be holding true right now. In perspective, unemployment is not bad.

    I've never seen a reason to count discouraged workers as part of the unemployed - they shouldn't count if they aren't actively trying to be unemployed. That'd be like counting college students who don't want to work - yes, they could have a job, but are they going/trying to? No.

    The mortgage (I hate trying to spell that word) brokers is a bad example as well (in the sense of 'working down' and unemployment over the long term). Typically, everytime there is a recession, one sector eats shit and most of it's workers have to readjust. The dotcom boom around ~2000 saw a ton of programmers go find other jobs. When something becomes artificially inflated, its bound to burst.
  11. ATIzed

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    I think looking at who surrounds the candidate is valid. Whoever is elected president won't come into the White House alone with an administration made up of strangers. They are almost sure to bring their friends and acquaintances in. Everyone should know this by now with the constant media coverage and unending screeches about cronyism in the Bush administration.
  12. MSP

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    QFT. Imagine if this hadn't come to light and suddenly Reverend Wright had a cabinet position. :shock:
  13. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    A spiritual adviser is much different then someone in a cabinet position.


    This whole ordeal is over blown and a non issue, except that it is an issue because the media and the republican party and Hillary made it an issue.

    If it was a real issue than previous presidential spiritual advisers would have been given the same attention as wright because ALL of them have said pretty hateful things.


    But hey, you guys keep your eye off the ball and when shit gets worse I'll say I told you so!
  14. ATIzed

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    The media blows things up, but Obama is a presidential candidate after all, so what are you going to do? Any of the candidates could just be good actors, so looking at their voting record, etc, and who they associate with for years is probably going to give some insights. I know Obama is a perfect human and all and is in no way influenced by the company he keeps, but still.
  15. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    I'd agree with you however the same thing is not being done to the people that hang around McCain and Hillary.

    And if it was a matter of the media trying to better understand a candidates record or history of judgment then why did George bush jr get elected twice! That guy has failed at everything (or at the very least barely gets by)!
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    Well you know it's the mainstream media. Who knows why it does what it does other than a guess at ratings and/or an agenda. I would think if McCain had a long time friend or pastor saying the AIDS virus was invented to kill the white man then I think that'd garner a little attention. Also consider the Democrat race is the hot story right now too. McCain, unfortunately for people that actually wanted their vote to count, has his side sewn up. I'd think if it was a closely contested race between him and another Republican candidate, you'd see more McCain related stories pushed to the forefront. However, I don't think you can blame the American people for paying attention to it when it is out there and factoring or not factoring it into their decision for whom they will vote. It's like we shouldn't pay any attention to it?

    Wright's own words from his own mouth are out there for anyone to hear and he happens to have ties to Obama. If I had to choose, I'd rather have the media bring things out about any of the candidates now rather than trying to cover them up. I suppose it can be a matter of perspective of the viewer on whether the story is important or trivial.
  17. tex

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    The whole thing is getting blown out of proportion versus McCain's (or whomever else's) pastor because this guy is playing the fucking race card.
  18. MSP

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    No doubt. Obama was trying (and largely succeeding) at drawing the white votes, and along comes Wright and just shits all over him. From that moment on every primary since has been very clearly divided along racial lines. In terms of politically damaging, I'd rate what McCain's pastor said at a 3-4 and what Wright said as an 8-9. The political pundits are already starting to compare Obama to Michael Dukakis and Barry Goldwater - a hopeless candidate.
  19. j0k3r

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    Thread gold MSP, very nice. I am surprised this one is still going.
  20. MSP

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    Well, I still say what I've been saying - it's a relevant issue, and definitely poisoning the democrats chances in November.

    And now it's been revealed than Obama has Bill Ayers working on his campaign, and has been associated with him for decades. The guy was basically a terrorist in the 1970s, bombing federal facilities, robbing banks, during which many, including cops and security guards, were killed. It probably won't reach the same level of public awareness as the Wright thing due to the racial aspects of that, but to me it's much more disturbing.

    Marathon Pundit: Obama's Bill Ayers problem
    Bill Ayers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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  21. Commissar Smersh

    Commissar Smersh 2020 Staff Member

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    Color me shocked that Obama has a distinguished, tenured professor who led a anti-war movement back in the day as part of his campaign. It's not like his party and platform is an alternative to the warmongering Republicans.

    ...oh wait.
  22. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    Uhhhhhhhhhhh.............yeah, right. i really hope for your sake, you do not have to eat those words. let me ask you this. When you went through your "unemployment/jobless", Did the price of food skyrocket? did the cost of fuel increase a dollar/gallon in a month? Did the economy have your credit issuers jack your interest through the roof, for no reason at all, even with your accounts in good standing? If not, you have nothing valid to compare your situation to reguarding the current state of affairs and unemployment.
    Besides, the first time I implored the economic establishment to shut down the industry I work in, they didn't do it. They waited until the worst posible moment when I begged them to slash my wages by 65%, they complied.....
    ....I wish to hell I didn't do that......but you're right it's all my fault:p

    I'm still trying to figure out where you got that particular high-horse you just rode in on.
    As for my vote, it isn't going to be based on what any aquaintence of, or people known past or present, of any candidate. I'm basically going to base my vote on this question: "who is going to piss the most people off and stir up the biggest shit storm, if elected?" that's probably who i'm going to vote for. Because, in the end, absolutely nothing is going to change unless our government's government wants it to. May as wqell have fun with this election because it's nothing but a joke anyhow.
    FYI:
    *first rule in strategic planning: divide and conquer
    *how do magic tricks work? distraction and fast movement
    Now lets take a good look at what has changed since last election.
    1) An improved civil surveylance system and domestic spying are in place
    2)prices have skyrocketed
    3) homebuying and property ownership have been sharply curtailed
    4) the number of rich people have increased, but not as fast as the number of poor
    5) million more undocumented persons have infiltrated this nation
    6) A woman a black man and a geriatric are running for pres, not only for the first time in history, but all at the same time
    7)More jobs than ever before have been outsourced to India, Mexico, China
    8 ) the dollar has been below other currencies longer and deeper than ever before
    9)more anti gun laws and restrictions now than ever before
    10)More roads into wilderness and forrested lands have been gated and/or trenched than ever before, blocking access to the poeple who supposedly own the land.
    11) all US forrest rangers are now full fledged police officers, yup, they can even write you a speeding ticket in town or anywhere for that matter.

    Put those variables into yer equation and smoke it. [/counter rant]
  23. MSP

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    I would educate yourself about Ayers before saying such things if I were you.

    EDIT: We're not talking about a guy who just organized demonstrations, he was directly involved with violent anti-government acts that resulted in people dieing.
  24. smirnoff

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  25. MSP

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    His interview of Wright was an embarrassment to journalism. He was practically stroking Wright off under the table while he asked those ridiculously softball questions. Our tax dollars hard at work.