How ironic that a black man has destroyed Obama...

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  1. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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  3. MSP

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    Repost, DAMN! But still, like it or not Obama is deeply affiliated with this guy and what he's saying is pretty wild. True or not he's doomed Obama.
  4. Torx

    Torx Indigenous Nudist

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    wtf, i thought obama was antireligious? now all of a sudden slew of news backing his religious backgrounds are popping up.. what theeee hell?
  5. WoodButcher

    WoodButcher just me

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    I knew jesus was black! $5 says santa is Puerto rican.....
  6. Undertaker989

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    its called political sabotage. Someone didn't pay somebody w/ media connections enough cheddar and now someone is getting sniped at ;).

    Who gives a fuck if he is somehow down a chain of people related to this preacher. He won't get away with that attitude if he was in office and nothing will change the status quo of society...no matter who is in office.

    Besides, Obama doesn't portray himself in the fashion that the preacher does in that video, and I only care about how Obama portrays himself, not all this other bullshit like his middle name, father's name, religious adviser, type of toilet paper he uses, type of toothpaste he uses (well, if he uses Crest, then we have issues, so never mind that one), etc etc.

    The next headline will be, "Obama doesn't like doggy-style sex"...just watch.
  7. MSP

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    The guy has been preaching in Obama's church for DECADES. Honestly, if you don't think this extremely damages his chances all I have are adjectives like "naive" or "delusional". Is it political sniping? You bet. But anybody willingly sitting in the pew listening to this shit FOR DECADES does not deserve to be president of our nation.
  8. SoulAssassin

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    McCain's "pastor" is just as bad with his crusade against Islam. Personally, I wish religion would stay the fuck out of the presidency/law/government/etc.
  9. MSP

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    No shit? I'd like to hear / see more about that, seriously. But I have a hard time believing it will reach this level of public awareness. It's the #2 story on CNN right now. Middle America is reading this and aligning against Obama. A lot of bigotry was looking for another excuse, and here it is.
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  11. Torx

    Torx Indigenous Nudist

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    yea, i just watched those videos.. all i gotta say is.. wow.
    this loony went from such innocent bible sermons to talking about lapd planting evidence on NEGROS. And "Goddamn america" quotes..

    government, mightve created aids/hiv but black couldve avoided it if THEY WORE A CONDOM... and last i checked that disease was created from/for gays..

    and last i checked blacks are killing blacks over drugs and money..

    another prime example of how dangerous religion is and how it could spur a national race war by manipulating sheepheads like in that church.
  12. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    I still say, we ought to elect that preacherman.:) All the prez is will be a proffessional fall-guy/gal.
    Someone to blame when the incompetant, lazy, greedy and corrupt congress fails.
  13. ninefivezero

    ninefivezero infinite resolution

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    Seriously? Did you just say that?

    Anyway MSP, anyone dumb enough to be swayed by this kind of crap in the election was already noting republican anyways.
  14. Mr. Ali

    Mr. Ali Junior Member

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    and in my expert opinion, this Wright thing is going to sink the Obama campaign
    just like the Muslim garb photo thing
    just like Rezko thing
    just like the drug use thing
    just like the Madrasah thing
    just like the Wright thing the first time it happened
    just like the being named Barack Hussein Obama thing
    just like the being black thing
    just like...
  15. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    poliotics as usual. it's no wonder anyone smart enough for the job, doesn't want it.
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    I think this news, combined with McCain's crap, pretty much washes out in terms of votes...you were either going to vote for them or not. Personally I find it interesting to read ahead of the election to see if they'll follow the advice of their "pastor" if elected.


    Don't forget not holding his hand over his heart during the pledge.
  17. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    Thrueth doesn't matter. To most people what the media wants them to believe, they'll believe.
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    oh come on....are you really basing your decision not to vote for Obama off of this bullshit? That isn't getting by me.

    I think you didn't like him already, and all this video is doing is singing to the choir, making you feel even better about your stance against him. You can like/dislike whoever you want..its your opinion. I just don't think that video had much to do with the formation of it.

    Sure, there are morons who will look at bullshit politics and base their decisions off of it, but, there could be just as many people who feel passionately for him as against. There will be constant waves of political sniping throughout this whole election, and opinions will sway like a pendulum as the waves pass. The only way we will know the outcome of all of it is to sit back and watch.
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    Obama & the Black Church

    First, I hope this clears up the question of whether Obama is a Christian or a Muslim. Secondly, unless anyone has grown up in the Black Church in America no one is in a position to understand or pass judgement on Obama or his relationship with his pastor. The Black Church in America is more than just a building for worship. For centuries, it has been the place of peace and hope and congregation and the platform for Civil Rights Movement itself as Dr. King often preached about the movement from his pulpit. H. Tubman herself was considered the "Moses" of the Underground Railroad. Social and theological ideology has always cross-pollinated in the Black Church and from the pulpit. Bishop T.D. Jakes, according to Time magazine "America's best preacher, said himself (from the pulpit) there is no way he can preach about only spiritual things when people are also suffering from social and economic problems as well. Bishop deals with finances and housing and helping single mothers get cars and rehabilitating prisoners into society. Those things are not spiritual, they too are social. In reference to Obama's former pastor, as Obama said himself look holistically at the man. This man preached for more than 30 years, which means he's probably lived another 20 or 30 before he began preaching. He might be one full generation removed from slavery, and he certainly witnessed segregation. Black America is moving pass the racisim, but we certainly have not forgotten it. And how can we when it still happens in our lifetime. I am 28 years, and my late next-door neighbor and former Alabama state senator won a case against the KKK for lynching a black man in Alabama in the 1980s. At the Potter's House in 2008 we celebrated the release of a black man from a 28-year wrongful incarceration in prison. How do can a preacher solely deal with spiritual issues when his or her congregation clearly has needs that are just as important??? The Black spiritual leaders have always provided comfort and hope to the Black community when outside their sanctuaries, it seemed bleak. AND I can understand how Obama can be in the service and hear, or not hear his pastor, and not receive and/or believe everything that is not gospel. My pastor in Alabama (who still serves as senior pastor) has always discussed the issue of race from the pulpit. I heard it, went home, and discussed it with my parents. My dad is still a member of the church. Our pastors are not Jesus. We don't blindly accept everything they say. However, to ask Obama and his family to leave the church is unfair as well, for the Black church is indeed more than a building. Community and family dwell there. My sister and I drive 30 minutes each to Dallas from either side of the DFW metroplex in order to worship together. Black families are whole spiritually and communally in the Black church. To separate one from the other is the rip apart the soul of the people.
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    Holy paragraph Batman!

    Welcome to the forums though.
  21. smirnoff

    smirnoff Curmudgeon

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    I believe it, but are you the exception or the rule? Maybe that's not a fair question, after all who can speak for more than himself.

    I think one thing that should probably be noted is that the clips shown are probably not the entire sermon. What I mean is, I suspect there were parts about loving thy neighbour etc before or after. I may not like what he's preaching, but I also don't like a lack of context. The only thing you CAN think after watching those videos is 'wtf'... That's why they picked them.
  22. HEAVY-D

    HEAVY-D Eh?!

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    Glad we're talkin about the issues that really matter. LOL
    This is what Obama get's for not taking the Vice-Prez thang.

    Come on MSP, It's not a Black man who's bringing Obama down. It's the same ol system we know and luv. LOL
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    I think it doesn't change anything. Only people who watch Fox "news" will go "omg, this is horrible!", but those people already vote republican and won't be swayed anyway.

    BTW, people go to church to put out an image, it doesn't mean they buy any of the shit, or even pay attention for that matter. I think it's odd that almost all of your arguments relate to his religion, but you yourself have made it quite clear that religion isn't a part of your life. Why does it matter to you then?
  24. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    Exactly. Like I said in the other thread, this is a non issue just as is mccains minister.

    Besides here is obamas response:
    Barack Obama: On My Faith and My Church - Politics on The Huffington Post


    We get it MSP, you don't like obama, not because he is black but because he is a muslim and now he is a anti-america. Add the fact that you voted for bush twice and my respect for you is dropping.
    You are one of the most respected members on this board and it's because you don't take or buy into bullshit but this story and the story about obamas relation to islam is pure BS and you are eating it up like a fat kid and a pudding cup!

    I WANT MSP BACK!
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    Good, I'm glad the Pastor is off the team. Maybe the KKK loving Sean Hannity will find a new subject to denigrate Senator Obama with now. Perhaps he could report on John McCain seeking and embracing the endorsement by Pastor John Hagee who has called the Catholic church "The Great Whore,' the 'apostate church', the 'anti-christ', and 'a false cult system', and other racist, demeaning remarks about blacks, women and homosexuals. But that would be too much like unbiased, fair reporting, something that would stick in Hannity's craw if he were ever to do it. You can see Hagee's video here: John Hagee's McCain Endorsement Sparks Uproar - Politics on The Huffington Post