Guys, guys, guys. CO became the first state to...

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  1. Commissar Smersh

    Commissar Smersh 2020 Staff Member

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    Plus campuses ban it so students have to buy somewhere else. I'm sure some apartment complexes might ban it. Also, if I'm a casual user I'll just to buy some. Or if its a specialty product like the drinks.
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    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    Just like tobacco. It's all easy to say you're going to grow your own.....that's the easy part (growing it).
    The thing most find out is that it's a whole lot of work and takes 1-2 years before you can enjoy your produce.
    It takes color curing (1-2 months) then it takes another year to two years to go through the aging process.
    During aging you need to constantly monitor hydration levels and adjust temperature and humidities.
    End result is that it's a whole lot faster and easier to just buy the stuff. I still produce my own becuase I'm
    willing to invest the time and energy to get something I make with my own two hands.

    The US Justice department is now combatting growing and storing by consfication/taking
    properties. There are cases in Medford and elsewhere in the nation that state-legal grows of medicinals are causing the landowners to forfeit their property.
    locally: http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2012/11/james_bowman_medical_marijuana.html
    elsewhere:
    http://safeaccessnow.org/downloads/Property_Owner_FAQ.pdf
  3. tweakmonkey

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    California's probably a unique place in this sense, but I have some experience through friends on all of this.

    Is growing it really that easy? The reason I ask is of everyone I know that smokes (100s of people) only 2 acquaintances grow it and they did before it was legal at all. Growing is a lot more work, requires a stinky operation and space in your house and can't be hidden in a shoebox etc. The people I know almost exclusively buy it from medical stores. They are just about all legal smokers, at least here in this state, and among the people I know. I don't know a single person who still buys it from a friend of a friend, "on the street" and so-on. But this is CA and people probably have a little more money to toss around.

    They all just get their own medical pass (costs about $60 here and a half hour of your time), then they have access to it whenever they feel like, rather than when Dodgy Jimmy is available. Also the quality is typically better through these medical places.

    The taxes here are significant. If you drive past these places there are lines out the door, they must serve 1000s of people per day at the busy places. The typical buyer probably spends over $50-$60 (price of a good 1/8th) and the tax rate here is 16% on it. Sales tax plus an additional 8%. They're making plenty and most people are definitely not going on the street for their weed. They're happily paying the extra cash for the convenient and legal distribution.
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    50-60 for what an ounce?
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    Nope, 1/8th of an ounce.
  6. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    Oh yeah, at those prices the street stuff around here is an absolute bargain. I think a full ounce in still under 200 bucks. So for a full ounce of legal grass after tax you could be looking at upwards of $595! Almost three times the cost of the street stuff, and more than enough of a gap for the illegal stuff to still be in strong demand.

    But yeah, growing grass isn't like a simple potted plant. But not exactly rocket science either. I could convert my brew room for a few hundred bucks and start knocking out enough for the whole neighborhood within 6 weeks. But I'll admit I'm probably a lot more DIY than the average dude. Not as much as Wiskas though, lol.
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    You can get cheap stuff here too, but the top shelf premium premium stuff you'd find at a medical shop is around that $60/ 1/8th, no seeds, all buds and sticky orange haired nuggets (so I hear :))... for $25-$30 you can get shitty seedy dirt weed. But everyone I know buys the good stuff and pays the big taxes on it. Also you're comparing ounce prices to 1/8th prices, it's not simply 8x, it's probably more like 6x for a bulk discount.

    I've never tried growing and have no desire to, but I know people that did grow had stinky weedy houses... I think that'd be a big deterrent in a rental or apartment, with roommates/family etc. You could build some sweet ventilation setups I'm sure.
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    Couldn't you just have a green house and do it in there? I know that isn't feasible for city folk per se but it just doesn't seem as complex. I know there is processing time in it and that it is not like you put the seed in the ground and then poof you have weed. Of course you would have to acquire the seed with which to grow it from but I believe that wouldn't be to complex either for the right price and then once you have seed then you can make more seed etc etc.

    I am just saying with it being legal to smoke weed I would think that people could easily get into it and manage it by word of mouth and still not manage to get caught. There is no reason for someone to tell where they got the weed from because they don't have to because it isn't illegal to smoke it. It is only illegal to sell it and have the plants but I would imagine that you could still manage it without too much fanfare.
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    You still run the risk of whoever owning the property loosing it to the DOJ/DEA. The feds aren't even started fucking with people yet.
    There are so many things they can and will do to growers. You can bet your ass that now, they will be setting MPIAA type examples of
    random growers and sellers. It simply does not matter to the feds what the state's will of the people is. They are going to seriously fuck up some people's lives over this.
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    I think few people will bother growing. Also, in WA at least, it is still illegal to grow your own under the new legalization rules.
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    Yeah, what kind of bullshit is that? Some civil liberties victory that turned out to be. You can buy it from The Man but you aren't allowed to grow it?
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    hans5849 Serious as a heart attack

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    In WA it's all most impossible to start a brewery. They're really conservative liberals out there.
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    Plus a lot of states have laws against distilling at home as well. The right to produce and the right to consume aren't directly correlated.
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    "Dodgy Jimmy"? OMFGROFL!! Fack I almost spit soda all over my monitor on that one.

    "Hello, Dodgy? . . . No? . . . Well, is Dodgy there? . . . Yeah, I said 'Dodgy' . . . OK, I'll hold on . . . Oh, he's not there? Damn, I'm really needin' some smoke . . . Uh, what about Jimmy? Is there a Jimmy there?"
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    Most of my friends got vape pens and buy the wax (dunno the street name, I don't buy, I just smoke randomly every few weeks) for about $20. They still buy bud, but the vape is just a lot easier, and it's almost odorless. It gets you high as fuck though, so I think they still buy normal stuff when they just want to relax and not be retarded high.
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    Most dispensaries are limiting wax amounts but not buds to meet demand. But yeah, I don't partake (at least until I can get a new job...), but when I do, definitely going to vape and do edibles/drinks.
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    I haven't done any in 27 years now. But I still think it's a better legal high than alcohol.
    How many guys are in prison for smoking out and getting violent? Alcohol fuels our prison industry
    and that's what should be illegal, not pot.
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    I WILL FIGHT YOU WISKAS IF YOU TRY AND TAKE AWAY MY BEER AND GIN
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    Screw taxing it. I don't see why the govt. doesn't produce it and sell it directly and take all the profit. Every state has a university with a horticulture dept. that could produce it.* You could close half your prisons and channel the money into rehab for alchy's and meth-heads (and realistic drug education programs in schools)

    *In partnership with Monsanto, FOR SCIENCE!!
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    The legality will be extremely questionable, since it is still a Federal Crime, even if the current administration isn't going to pursue it. If a future administration bows to it's evangelical right-wing, all that State legality won't be worth the paper it's written on.
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    The alcohol 'cartels' won't allow that to happen anyhow. They are way too entrenched in the guv and culture. There is a vested interest in making sure pot doesn't
    succeed no matter how logical it is to legalize it.