Girl goes on a meltdown racial spree at school (getmeoffthisplanet.jpg)

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  1. Coleman

    Coleman fresh off the corner

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    But where do you draw the line with "people that look a certain way?"

    Do you think we should profile all Muslims because of how a group of crazy people who call themselves Muslim act? Or that we should profile all normal looking middle aged white men because they're most likely to be serial killers? Or all inner city black kids because of how they dress (if they dressed "white" they would get their asses kicked). And "working hard in their communities toward changing the behaviors that led to the prejudice in the first place" is not such an easy thing to do when education is what will pull a community out of the gutter and no funding goes to the inner city schools.

    Profiling works in the same way that trawling for fish with a giant net works. And when you group the good people in with the bad just because they look similar, you will never win that communities favor.

  2. MSP

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    Profiling doesn't equate to arresting/assaulting/shooting everybody, just a tool for helping to predict future events based on demographics and past trends. Increased scrutiny amongst those groups that have proven (as a group) that they deserve it. C'mon, you don't prejudge anybody? It's not a bad word, it's an essential skill.
  3. MSP

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    For example, this guy is hanging around the playground by your child's school. You wouldn't give him increased attention? Or even call the cops?

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  4. Coleman

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    Yes, I'm sure that everyone that does the profiling has reviewed all the scientific data and trends amassed throughout history to come to intelligent decisions that allow them to predict the future. And I realize that being profiled doesn't equate to being arrested/etc but it does equate into losing a sense of humanity. That you aren't as good as other people. Being lumped into a category of criminals just because you're young, black and wear a hoodie and it's night time is fucked up. Or being profiled because you're a 20-something Muslim with a beard. But it's supposed to be ok because they "deserve it?" What the hell.. Other cultures look different. And there are millions of people within these culture groups. If you begin to automatically equate the good with the bad just because of how they look, you will never gain their trust as a community. How would you feel if you were stopped all the time because of how you look?

    Profiling works but you have to have more than one criteria. You have to remove yourself from your own prejudices and assess the situation objectively. Police aren't the most objective bunch of people. Particularly because they deal with the bad more than the good. They can become jaded, which isn't really their fault. They see a lot of bad shit.

    In reference to Mr. Git-R-Dun. No, I wouldn't call the cops if I saw him outside a playground. People with tattoos can have children, too. If he was obviously alone, then I'd probably give him more attention. If he were outside a school being all creepy while kids were at recess.. well I think you'd find that anyone doing that would have the police called on them. Maybe it's because I'm just young and naive because I went to a liberal arts university in the city which was full of non-white people and have seen how wrong stereotypes can be..
  5. braaains

    braaains gubble gubble

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    Thank you.

    And just because something works, does not mean it is right. How can it be alright to actually infringe on someone else's basic rights, because you have a 'funny feeling that gangsta's up to no good'? I know that's tough to understand, but life sucks, wear a cup.
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  7. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    This is why I've been ragging on the federal mandated data centers and social internet, the cloud, and cell technology. I forgot who it was on here that swore viemately that it was physically imposible due to security features and infrastructure for onstar to collect user data and GPS data.

    http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2008/02/onstar-big-brothers-eye-in-the-sky/
    You can apply that ability of law enforcement to these also:

    http://www.focus.com/fyi/10-largest-databases-in-the-world/

    There is growing concern within the government concerning all the negative numbers and public opinion of the dawgs who are our overlords, AKA guv-men.
    The databases are being filled with the most private of info.....anything they can get their hands on. The man knows people are pissed.
    http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1466352577952

    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/09/fbi-nsac/

    There are more tools than anyone cares to know.
    Like i said, we are all being profiled in one way or another. If I were a cop, you bet your sweet ass I'd be profiling the shit out of every situation and person.
    It doesn't equate to discrimination, it is just trying to get a grasp on the reality of the facts.
    Likewise, even though I'm not a cop, I profile the man. Don't like much of what I see.
  8. Tacdriver

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    Profiling works, sorry if it hurts someones feelings from time to time. Sorry that plane blew up because we didn't want to stop them in line for fear The ACLU may come after us or we may get some bad press. Oh wait, The TSA gets bad press all of the time for doing stupid shit. Didn't they just frisk and grope a 3-4 year old kid in a wheel chair with a broken leg? Those things appear to be alright depending on your mindset I guess? Don't look twice at the cat that looks like he may be sketchy for fear of a lawsuit, we'll go after the 70 year old white woman and take that possible lawsuit on. WTF?
  9. Tacdriver

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    That makes absolutely no sense. Just because something works doesn't make it right? Use some common sense here for shit's sake.
  10. braaains

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    It's crazy, but I think the same thing when I read your posts. All I'm saying is a black kid should be able to walk down the street wearing a hoodie without some gun-nut having a problem about it. I feel like the whole profiling thing is a pretty slippery slope.

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  11. JZL

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    ^^ True. Plus I heard some audio today that the cops were telling Zimmerman to stop following the guy. I also think that just because something "works" doesn't mean it's OK to do. What's the old saying? "At least Mussolini made the trains run on time!"

    What pisses me off lately is Spike Lee tweeting Zimmerman's address. That should be criminal, like some sort of incitement to riot. Oh yeah, then it wasn't even the right one-- it was some poor old couple's addy and they couldn't even stay in their own house afterward. What a fackin' tool.
  12. Tacdriver

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    Wait. what makes him a "Gun Nut?" Now you're profiling because someone owns a gun and cares about his neighborhood. It's Florida and the Dead Guy was wearing a hoodie, not from the neighborhood, a Police Dispatcher told Zimmerman to wait......not a Police Officer, he approached and was attacked. What are you missing? I'll type it again......."GUN NUT?" Also, while wearing the hoodie how could anyone see he was Black? Let it fucking go!
  13. braaains

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    lol tac. You obviously live in a world of extremes.
  14. Tacdriver

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    No I don't. I live in a realistic world. It would be nice to live in a Utopian society like .....Star Trek or something but we don't. I happen to live in reality.
  15. Tacdriver

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    I'll say one last thing.......just go with me on this. Put the whole you think I'm an asshole issue to the side and THINK about this. The guy was involved in a "Block Watch" program. Why did they have one? In my neighborhood I know the cars and the people that walk by. I don't give 2 shits if this kid was Black, Hispanic, Japanese or, Green! When approached he according to police reports struck Zimmerman so bad that he went for his gun. Goood for him that he defended himself.
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    Haha...

    Bitch is crazy.
  17. mistawiskas

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    I'm on Tac's side on this issue. Just the fact that a 'neighborhood watch' is needed in our neighborhoods says a lot for our society. Those programs work, our rural neighborhood has a good program and we are all armed to the max. Doesn't make any of us "gun nuts". We all pretty much know who belongs here and who doesn't and it's in our mutual best interests to watch each other's six.

    IMHO: I believe the whole blown-out-of-proportion bullshit coming out of the media is just simpluy to stir up shit on a slow news day. That and a group of people wanted a cause to take up....the cause that has been taken up for generations and won't go away because they are their own worst enemy but they won't admit it.
  18. Coleman

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    What's wrong with wearing a hoodie in Florida and being in a neighborhood you don't live in? Is that not ok in Florida? Zimmerman was an overzealous neighborhood watchman who shouldn't have been walking around with a gun. Wasn't he known to cry wolf constantly to the point of harassment? I'm not really following this story because of all the shit it's surrounded with.

    And hoodies don't cover your whole body, just fyi. They're like sweatshirts with hoods. Was Treyvon also wearing black gloves and jeans? Maybe Zimmerman thought he was OJ going after another white woman.

    How much action does your rural neighborhood watch see? Get a lot of raiders coming into to town that you have to take up arms against? My parents suburban neighborhood watch see's a few cars get keyed, trashcans knocked over and that's about it. Sure, it can be a good deterrence against crime but a lot of places don't really need them. I don't mean to assume anything but I think I've lived in a more dangerous place than a lot of people on these boards and have never felt the need to own a gun or carry one around with me. I let the trained professionals do that because I don't know if I could calmly assess a situation where a gun might be needed and do the right thing. When the average public starts walking around with guns, shit like this happens. Irrational people do irrational things.


    ps. I like guns. Here's me in Texas with a gun. Nothing wrong with being a gun nut until you start walking around strapped and using them against people because you're too much of a bitch to use your fists.

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    Oh and I know about trigger control. They were unloaded at the time :cool:
  19. mistawiskas

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    We don't have gangstas as much as we have thieving meth heads. Lots of thieving meth heads. Not to mention mexican drug cartells with illegal grows on BLM and USF lands and labs in possibly any shop/home. We see action.

    Also, in support of the point I was attempting to make earlier: http://www.technolog.msnbc.msn.com/...ook-google-users-you-are-their-product-609349
    apply in conjunction with the info about tactics in this link: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2008/02/onstar-big-brothers-eye-in-the-sky/
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    See, you guys seem to be focusing on the kid's appearance only. Profiling done right relies a little on that, but more on the actions of the individual. And if we aren't to be judged by our actions, what then? The kid was a punk, up to no good, and frankly this is a textbook case of how profiling can work. This Zimmerman guy, while not handled in the best way possible, was standing up for his neighborhood and the kid attacked him.

    The bad thing is now that this incident has happened do you think anybody is manning that neighborhood watch now? Let's see some of the black men step in and do it, until then they can STFU and put their signs down.
  21. mistawiskas

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    That's what I meant by "their own worst enemy"
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    I mean, if this kind of community energy were directed at the root of the problem versus some perceived racism then progress might actually be made. Be mad at the guy that sold Tray-whatever drugs in the first place. Or the dozens of people that silently look the other way. But no, we'll focus our anger on the neighborhood watch guy that was apparently defending himself during an assault.

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    and the media that relishes the controversy.
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    Yup. At least they got a settlement out of it though, which they should have. Didn't his tweet say something about the address, justice, then "BLACK POWER!"? How is that not racist?

    Towards the topic of the thread, Zimmerman fucked up. What business does he have approaching somebody who is just walking down the street, not doing anything illegal? I was always told to mind my own business, and it seems like nobody else was taught the same thing. You never know who is missing a few screws and is more or less a ticking time bomb. He instigated the conflict by approaching Trayvon in the first place. The cops told him to wait, and he didn't. He isn't a cop or any type of official, he has absolutely no business approaching Trayvon or anybody walking down the street to ask them what they're doing. Gated community or not, that's the security guard/policeman's job. If I was walking down the street and somebody approached me asking what I was doing, I'd probably tell them to fuck off. So, I can see where Trayvon was coming from. I don't know what actually happened, what was said, or who threw the first punch. Should've just let the cops get there and do the work for him.
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    Maybe Trayvon threw a Skittle at him.