Down with Israel

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by HEAVY-D, Jun 2, 2010.

  1. Ranger

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    Israel has given up so much already, in my OPINION they need give up no more.

    As far as israel building settlements wherever, who the fuck is anyone to tell them what to build in their own country. It is THEIR country. Does fucking Kansas go before the UN when it wants to build a housing development in southern Olathe? Fuck the world for being so assuming and telling israel what to do in their own fucking country.

    Yall need to give it up. Israel has faults. But they own up to it and make changes. Palestinians elected a terrorist government. Now they have to deal with the repercussions. Fucking even Egypt, which borders gaza, has a blockade. NOBODY is bitching and moaning at them about it. Oh i forgot, they are the ARAB republic of egypt, therefore in the world's eyes they can do no wrong. K got it.
  2. HEAVY-D

    HEAVY-D Eh?!

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    That same argument was used by South Africa during Apartheid and every oppressive government in history. :eek:
  3. Ranger

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    Except being an arab in israel is perfectly allowed and fine. There is no segregated anything in israel. There is no prejudice. Fuck, arabs make up a large part of the political parties in israel. Israel does not oppress its muslims. When they declared their independence, the dumbass fucking arabs issued a fatwa ordering all muslims to leave so they went to gaza and any other country that would take them. But their own brother muslims wouldn't take them.

    Being a jew in gaza is not allowed.

    Generalizations do not work for this.
  4. Wedge_

    Wedge_ Rogue One

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    Is it really so hard to figure this out? There was no way they'd have been able to reach Gaza covertly, so they went in the opposite direction and made themselves as visible as possible. They wanted to force Israel to react with the world looking on. It was basically a win-win situation for them - either Israel would let the ships through to Gaza, or they'd intercept them and so generate more media coverage of the blockade. I'm sure the debate about what exactly happened on the Marmara will continue for weeks, but even if the boarding had been entirely peaceful it would still have generated lots of publicity.

    No, I'm giving my opinion while some people here are doing their best to present their own opinions as fact. Tacdriver made that quite clear in one of his posts. I realise Ranger has first hand experience, but why should I trust his perceptions and feelings? His posts are hardly objective. You can't simply disqualify anyone from talking about anything they haven't experienced directly.

    Well that's the whole point - is it really "their own fucking country"? These West Bank settlements are not inside the original borders of Israel, they are on territory captured during the Six Day War. If Syria or Jordan occupied a big chunk of Israel and started building their own settlements there, I'm pretty damn sure you'd have a different opinion on that. The reason the world is trying to tell Israel what to do about the settlements is because it's obvious that it's going to be almost impossible to resolve the conflict while they continue to be permitted.

    Egypt does receive criticism over the blockade, but naturally not as much as is directed at Israel. If Israel weren't blockading Gaza, Egypt wouldn't be either. And it seems that in the aftermath of the flotilla incident, Egypt has at least opened its border with Gaza to some extent.
  5. Ranger

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    Its funny how twisted the situation is on the world forum. Its pretty cut and dry here.

    With regard to the six day war territory dispute, countries take land in wars that then belong to them. So yes it is israel's land. It may not have been so earlier but that's the way it is now. The US used to be just 13 colonies and now its fucking huge. Change happens. Israel used to own the Sinai but Egypt took it from them in a war. Does anyone bat an eye when egypt builds a town here? Oh i forgot that their arab country is too backwater and 3rd world to build a nice settlement. Israel actually cares about having nice shit so they make a nice country. The difference between them and their arab neighbors is fucking amazing. Egypt is shit, Jordan is shit, Lebanon is shit. And their country is only what, 60 years old? Dont fucking hate just because they are better.

    Part of the treaty with egypt and israel includes stipulations for the blockade yes, but also egypt doesnt want the jews publicizing the fact that egypt is a passive supporter of terrorism so egypt does enforce a blockade so that the jews cant find arms coming into gaza from egypt.

    And yes, you are god damned right i am opinionated. Ive lived in the middle east in various countries for years doing all sorts of different work. I see this shit every day. The majority of muslims are pretty fucking cool. But guess what? They do nothing and are willing to do nothing to speak out against the radical members of their religion. Their religious leaders have decided to take a hands off approach to the dangerous radical movement that is dead set on converting the entire world to their beliefs. All of it. You are not special, they want YOU fucking beating your head five times a day and not drinking and not smoking and beating your 4 wives into submission. This is their way.

    Dont think that all muslims are bad, quite the opposite. I have many close muslim friends. But those friends are more moderate and understand that religion doesnt have to dictate all aspects of your life. The average muslim however does let it dictate his life and takes everything the sheik says as fucking gospel. And that is where the danger is. That one guy has total control over so many. And its a cellular structure already in place. If you target him and take him out for preaching terrorist shit then another fills right back in and the system stays in place.

    Also, please dont interpret my cursing and strong feeling for harboring ill will towards you. I merely feel very strongly about this and i have ample experience in the matter. I just get passionate about it when i see the bullshit world media going along with the 'oh its ok they are muslim and its their religion' fucking shit.
  6. Tacdriver

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    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3899131,00.html

    These people on the boat sound a little Anti-Semetic to me. Such kind hearted souls. I'd also say we know where Turkey stands on Hamas now. They really want to be allies with Iran.

    http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=177496
  7. HEAVY-D

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    /Flame off

    In all honesty I wish for peace in Israel and Palestine but I think their is to much bad blood between them.
  8. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    Wedge, it's not so much what you are saying, as the way you're presenting it. This discusion is not, to the best of my knowledge, a tribunal, neither is it a court case. You're seemingly pole vaulting mouse turds here. This tend to make it look like you are anti semantic, or hate jews..............which has already been pointed out as cliche'. Let's look at another incindent and it's origins.
    How did Brittain come to claim the Falklands as thier territory? And, what happenened when Argentina disrespected the claim of ownership? Point being, nations claim land all the time, some through war or other forms of conquest. What makes Isreal so much worse for doing what many nations have? For the record, I'd trust Ranger's judgement and observations over any media reporter who may, or may not have witnessed what they report. He doesn't count on or need his words to earn him a living.
    Fuckit:
    let there be
    'trinitite!'
  9. HEAVY-D

    HEAVY-D Eh?!

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  10. Ranger

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    good lord both sides need to settle the fuck down, its going to get out of control AGAIN

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/10252229.stm

    ya that's gonna help...
  11. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    May be the instigators right there folks. It's sure taking focus off of their nuke ambitions.
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    Gee, you bring pipes and slingshots to a fucking gunfight of course you're gonna end up dead.

    idiots


    Silly Arabs...slingshots are for kids.
  13. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    Well yeah, what good is all the power Isreal has accumulated if they can't pull it out and play with it from time to time?