Does Obama need to grow some balls?

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  1. HEAVY-D

    HEAVY-D Eh?!

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  2. ivanolo

    ivanolo Guest

    Olbermann & Maher. I can't watch them for very long; they get on my nerves.

    Obama needs to stop pandering and deliver on some of his promises, though. He should take advantage of executive orders and vetoes to get his agenda through, as Maher suggests. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like it'll happen.
  3. GRP

    GRP oh snap

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    Give him time. This is what happens when you elect someone with so little real leadership experience. He'll get more bold as time goes on.

    ... and fuck those two, for real. Just as bad as Limbaugh.
  4. Commissar Smersh

    Commissar Smersh 2020 Staff Member

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    People need to remember it's his first term as well. We'll likely not see the truely ballsy stuff until his second term.
  5. ivanolo

    ivanolo Guest

    Assuming he gets re-elected, of course. Just saying.

    Oh, I get it. Sarcasm!
  6. Torx

    Torx Indigenous Nudist

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    dont we have like.. 3 1/2 more years with obama?? seriously everyone needs to lighten up and let the man do his job.
  7. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    When the realistically posible stuff is filtered out of all the "promisses" made during campaigning, it leaves little for a person to have to fullfill. During a presidential run,
    the comedy comes when you turn the bullshit filter on and see what's left.
  8. ninefivezero

    ninefivezero infinite resolution

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    I kind of agree with Maher, but I am probably a little more patient than he is.
  9. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    I don't really care for Maher, but it's hard to argue with what he's saying. Bush went after what he wanted (right or wrong) and got it! History will say if Iraq was a success or failure, but you can't fault the man for achieving his goals in the face of withering opposition and criticism. Bush tried to run the country like China, and Obama is trying to run the country like India.
  10. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    That seems like a pretty fair analogy to me.
  11. Goofus Maximus

    Goofus Maximus Too old to be this dumb!

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    Bush had the Republican party majority behind his pushes. They walked pretty much in lockstep, even if they didn't want to at times. Obama has the Democratic majority. This is more like herding cats. What Obama has against him, are several well-funded, well-organized interest groups with "close personal relationships" with the Congress-Critters. I love how Olbermann speaks of the Democratic Party as if it's a unified platform, right at the start.

    He's trying to govern from the center, which means the far right and the far left will always be pissed off at him.

    Obama's idea is to create "co-ops" like the rural Electicity co-ops of the past.
  12. braaains

    braaains gubble gubble

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    I'm about to mail Obama some change. He seems to have misplaced his....
  13. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    The presidency is a bitch, I wouldn't want that job for all the money in the world. But it's nice to see some air starting to come out of the "Change!" balloon. The ridiculous expectations for what Obama could accomplish were naturally going to lead to massive disappointment and backlash. So begins the infighting and fracturing, we might end up with two hopeless and broken parties. Or maybe that's what we started with anyway...
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    Goofus Maximus Too old to be this dumb!

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  15. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    I have to go with the: "Or maybe that's what we started with anyway..."

    Looking back over a 51 year run at this life, I see the same things happening in verbatum with promisses of change at every turn. nothing has changed unless you include the fact that it's gotten worse and more brazen.
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    I must be seeing things differently, because I'm trying to figure out why people are speaking like Obama isn't really doing anything, I guess missing the nationalizing here and there, the plans in the works for nationalizing yet to come, the trillion dollar bailout, a czar here, a czar there, etc. With a seemingly subservient Congress in the clutches of the Democrats, a fairly non-existent Republican opposition, which is nothing new of course, a mainstream media that's gone missing so far as I can tell, again nothing new, I think he has a blank check to do whatever he wants and he seems to have the will to do it. The most I can "hope" for out this government at this point is mild benevolence, and Obama's administration and Congress not completely tanking the dollar to zero.
  17. smirnoff

    smirnoff Curmudgeon

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    Is his problem really that he's timid?

    Bush was un-fucking-scrupulous. Combine that with the fact he thought his presidency was a mission from god and yeah, sure, you get boldness. You also get one mistake after another.

    Maybe Obama is trying to do things the old fashioned way and it just takes a little longer than subterfuge or scare tactics.

    I haven't been following the situation so I'm playing a bit of devil's advocate here, but still.
  18. mistawiskas

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    Congress and the powers that be are probably sitting back laughing thier fucking asses off right now. I can just hear the bastards: "Bwahahahahahaha.....they fell for it!!!! AHhehehahahahahahah!!!"
  19. Goofus Maximus

    Goofus Maximus Too old to be this dumb!

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    What is all this "Obama does" stuff for things that the CONGRESS does... Naturally you won't get action when going against the lobbyists who are stuffing the pockets of their congress critters in return for said congress critters to spout the talking points provided to them. Bush didn't have this problem because he never went against them in the first place.
  20. mistawiskas

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    QFT
    Truer words have not yet been spoken.
  21. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    I do like how Obama is trying to reach across party lines, appointing conservatives to posts, etc. Working together for the better good is what is needed, but the problem is the special interests and corruption. In some cases the "greater good" is pretty cut and dry.

    And I'm starting to think national health care might be one of those. The reason that Detroit is in utter free-fall and the largest car manufacturing city in North America is now in Canada is simple - here in the US GM has to pay something like $6,000 per employ for medical benefits, versus $800 in Canada.... We're losing out competitive edge as a result.
  22. Goofus Maximus

    Goofus Maximus Too old to be this dumb!

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    Heh. True. Also, all that talk about how our health care will be rationed misses the point that it's already rationed. By us. Because we won't shell out money to go to the doctor until we're REALLY sick, when more effective treatment could be had before we get that sick, or even before we get sick at all.

    We are also already being taxed for poor folks medical treatment, but it's in the form of higher insurance premiums, which pay higher claims to hospitals who pass the cost of care for those who can't pay, to the insurance companies who can.

    My own personal thought is that all doctors and nurses should simply be government-salaried civil servants, so that going to the doctor is already prepaid by our tax dollars, so we won't mind taking regular doctor's visits. :) Goofus da Socialist Strikes Again.

    I think some things should be done by the Government instead of private industry, and those things are the utilities we rely on, like electricity, phone (now internet and wireless), and medical services. Private concerns can offer services above and beyond the basic necessities provided.

    For the whole money angle, I think the latest Planet Money report says it all.

    Edit: My favorite part from there is how the old Federal Home Loan Administration was abolished, and the OTS was created. How? A guy came along and changed the sign on the door...
  23. Commissar Smersh

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    Quotin' dis since it shows MSP's got some sense when it comes to politics. :p