Do facts matter anymore?

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  1. ShadowWolf

    ShadowWolf New Member

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    We have some people here at work who keep parroting on about Obama being a muslim. Obviously not wanting to disturb the peace and create a stir, I keep my mouth shut and go about my business. However, I find it extremely annoying to hear this mindless repitition of false information.

    I am not republican bashing. I consider myself a centrist, and agree with several righty principles (don't waste all our tax $'s on bullshit, 2nd amendment rights, etc) Nor am I a particular fan of Obama, I am quite neutral towards him overall and irritated in certain aspects of his performance.

    Now that thats out of the way, whats the deal? Don't people actually research claims they hear or am I the only one? I don't understand how something someone told them, or hear it from Fox news, and take it as fact.

    Obama was never a muslim. Most of the time when people try to say he is, they cite a school record from his very few, young years (age 6-10) in which he lived in Indonesia in which he was registered to the school as a muslim. He was SIX when this happened.

    Then they simultaniously attack him calling him a racist because of his supposed radical black christian church. Now I dont know much about his church in Chicago, but I do know you can't try to smear someone and on the one hand call them a muslim and on the other a radical black christian.

    My personal theory is he is an atheist but is conceiling it as he knew no atheist would be elected to any office in this day and age. But thats just my little personal hunch.

    Anyway, I really don't mean this to be about Obama I am just trying to understand the psychology of people who parrot innacurate information about things and don't bother to EVER actually reasearch anything.
  2. ninefivezero

    ninefivezero infinite resolution

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    No, facts don't matter all that much, nor have they ever ;)

    I was just reading an article (maybe I can find the link again) about how science-ignorant Americans are (the article was about the US in particular), citing that even TODAY, nearly 1/5 of people believe the sun revolves around the earth! And these are people who are voting....
  3. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    People are too used to someone else doing their thinking for them. It's inconvienient to have to check stuff out.
  4. Panzer

    Panzer Not a bitch any more

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    The truth sucks so we listen and whatever sounds great is what we will parrot. I mean why do I need to check the facts if they are spewed out of the overseer command box of a tv.
  5. HEAVY-D

    HEAVY-D Eh?!

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    [video=youtube;1jQ67cdzDyI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jQ67cdzDyI[/video]
  6. ivanolo

    ivanolo Guest

    I'm afraid I'm feeling a wee bit ill this evening, so my usual long-winded, holier-than-thou rant will have to wait, unfortunately.

    Toodaloo, motherfuckers! :D
  7. ThatHideousStrength

    ThatHideousStrength Junior Member

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    Obama = Osama = ????
  8. Jackalope

    Jackalope NNNNEEERRRRDDDSSSSS!!!!!!

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    I feel your frustration. My dad revealed he thinks obama is a closet muslim the other day. It kind of hurts, because my dad is a really smart guy, we share alot of viewpoints politically. But c'mon, hidden muslim? it felt like he was going to tell me he still believed in the easterbunny or something. He's really too smart to be falling for this kind of crap, I guess maybe the guys he works with got to him :\

    but still, he's convinced that once obama leaves office, he'll be siding with muslims on everything, and start going to mosque.

    Speaking of muslims and our national politics, here's an interesting article

    http://reason.com/blog/2010/08/24/bush-nostalgia-watch

    it talks about where the muslims lean politically, as well as what party has done the most to gain their support in the past.
  9. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    "My personal theory is he is an atheist but is conceiling it as he knew no atheist would be elected to any office in this day and age. But thats just my little personal hunch."

    I understand where you are coming from but if you can come to that conclusion then how can you fault those that say he is a Muslim? Both conclusions are rediculous when the facts are right in front of you (he went to the same church for 20 years!).

    Understand how and why you came to your conclusion and you may understand how they came to theirs.

    Facts are only important if you are willing to listen to them.
  10. HEAVY-D

    HEAVY-D Eh?!

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    I think he should convert to Islam out of spite.
  11. ninefivezero

    ninefivezero infinite resolution

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    Found it:

    Oh, and I also found this :p


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  12. ShadowWolf

    ShadowWolf New Member

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    Theres a big difference. My atheist theory is just a hunch I keep in the back of my mind. I would never try to pass it off to others as fact. If i did tell anyone, there would be heavy disclaimers as there was when I originally posted it.

    The issue I think is people spreading misinformation and trying to convince others of its truth. Particularly when the information is negative about the individual - as it is in this case... but wait..

    This brings me to a MORE important question...

    Why would it matter if hes muslim anyway?
  13. Jackalope

    Jackalope NNNNEEERRRRDDDSSSSS!!!!!!

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    because all muslims are terrorrists that want to destroy America and institute Sharia law. Also they want to kill christians. Duh.
  14. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    I'm not picking on you but it's the same kind of "hunch" others get and use to spread misinformation. They just happen to be more vocal and they really believe they are correct and when they talk to people with no opinion or no facts they take what they say and repeat it.
    If facts were important you would realize your "hunch" was ridiculous and you would remove it from the back of your mind.

    However you are correct in asking, "Why would it matter if hes a Muslim anyway?"

    The answer? It doesn't matter and anyone who tries to imply that it does matter is not interested in facts.

    It's all about critical thinking. It's ok to have hunches but when you are made aware of facts that contradict your hunches then a critical thinker would replace their hunches with more factual based ones.

    Critical thinking is a skill that requires constant practice. Unfortunately it's a skill that either is not taught in schools anymore it's no longer a focus.
  15. ShadowWolf

    ShadowWolf New Member

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    I stand by my statement. Maybe hunch isn't the right word. You can't compare a curious question mark, a fun little "what-if" thought in the back of my mind that will stay a question mark to hateful spreading of lies which amount to slander. I'm sorry but you are tugging at something that was just a quizzical footnote in my post.
  16. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    I suspected as much but I simply used it to illustrate my point.
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    Torx Indigenous Nudist

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    i was going to post it yesterday, but a local news station website had a poll asking everyone if obama was muslim. of course about 80% was yes. the rest no, or didnt care.
    i was like.. WTF
  18. HEAVY-D

    HEAVY-D Eh?!

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    "The Universe doesn't care what anyone believes"

    Thanks 950 that made my day.

    Interesting how we still believe humans are the center of all things even those who believe in god.
  19. Goofus Maximus

    Goofus Maximus Too old to be this dumb!

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    My faith in the American People's stupidity is confirmed! This is why I don't have faith that any movement, like the green movement or the tea party movement, will affect anything, since most of it's members are as stupid as this, and are led around by the nose, by opportunists who can quote a snazzy jingle. They know what they are against... except when questioned in detail, they actually don't, and they know how to fix it... except they each have a different idea about it, and no two ideas are compatible with another, and so they follow their picked candidate... who quotes snazzy jingles, and hides the fact that none of these followers actually agree on anything substantial...

    Having been inundated with a nonstop drumbeat of politicrap for so long, I'm just not surprised at all at how stupid the American public is anymore. 80% of this nation belongs in kindergarten!
  20. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    Funny you should post this, a family member sent me the nth "OMG! Obama is a dirty muslim!!!" email. I get 1-2 a month... :roll:
  21. tex

    tex jive turkey

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    What the fuck are you even talking about. Your whole post is crap. He has a hunch but isn't going around be vocal and beliving its correct and espousing it as truth, what does it matter? I'm sure you have little thoughts like that day to day.

    Really? I assume you are holding yourself up as the example of a good critical thinker?
  22. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    Actually yes I do, when I'm presented with facts I change my thinking accordingly.

    Once again you missed the point and I specifically addressed the fact that him not being as vocal was the difference.

    Here's the part you ignored:

    "I'm not picking on you but it's the same kind of "hunch" others get and use to spread misinformation. They just happen to be more vocal and they really believe they are correct and when they talk to people with no opinion or no facts they take what they say and repeat it."
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  25. Goofus Maximus

    Goofus Maximus Too old to be this dumb!

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    I knew it! Fox's conservative talk show line up is a TERRORIST PLOT TO DESTROY THE INFIDELS FROM WITHIN!!!! Now I have proof! :D

    Edit: Another example of the internet echo-chamber gossip-factory giving credibility to wild rumors. At least this one's non-political in nature.