Collapse; anyone heard/seen this movie?

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  1. Cr@cKpiPe tE@sEr noOb!

    Cr@cKpiPe tE@sEr noOb! Not Just Handsome

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  2. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    I'll pass on the depressing and prophetic.....that's a bad combination ;).
  3. smirnoff

    smirnoff Curmudgeon

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    I just watched this and was very moved. It is indeed depressing... you'll watch it and and almost want to turn it off so you don't have to deal with it, but you won't be able to. At least that was my experience. Thank goodness that it does, near the end, inject a measure of hope.

    It's a short film, about an hour and twenty minutes long, but Michael Ruppert speaks so eloquently and concisely that you'd be hard pressed to find a more dense documentary. Don't just watch the trailer and think you know what it's all about. On individual issues you may already be well informed, but there's something to be said for connecting the dots, putting all that fractured knowledge together and making a consistent world view from it. That's what Michael Ruppert calmly does here, and the effect is terrifying. It's easily one of the most sobering experiences I've ever had watching a film.

    Now I admit, I'm a pretty credulous guy when it comes to this sort of thing. Critical thinking is not my strong suit and I'm already a bit of a cynic so maybe this documentary is just preaching to the choir. But then again maybe it isn't. See it for yourself, that's the best advice I can give you. The sooner the better.
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    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    Yet nobody will pay attention reguardless of the validity of the dots you speak of. I've been spouting this shit nearly verbatim since 06 and you know the response I've gotten. People will dismiss
    anything that might mean they have to awaken from the dreams they believe are real. It doesn't take all that much investigative prowess to see the bullshit, it's hiding in plain sight.
    That's all I'm going to say about that because saying anything falls on deaf ears and, for the most part, is a waste of breath and time.
  5. smirnoff

    smirnoff Curmudgeon

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    Wiskas, while I admire your intentions you have a combination of things working against you here at tweak that I think explain what you feel is a frustrating lack of action:

    1. This is an random internet forum. People pick and choose what they want to read when they come here. If this were a forum called "Conspiracy Truth" you would have a more receptive audience. Their reason for coming to the forum would specifically be to read the kind of stuff you post.

    2. To lay out a complete world view, from the groundwork to the arguments to the supporting evidence to the wider implications to the overall philosophy, would require a post so long it would fill a book. Yes, you have been "spouting this shit" for years, but unfortunately it's spread out over thousands of posts. The dots connect in your head, but because of the nature of the forums it is not a coherent message.

    3. These issues are pretty serious and they require a credible source to taken seriously. I'm not taking a shot at your character, intelligence or ability to think critically, but at the end of the day your just a random internet guy like the rest of us.

    4. We all pretty much 'get it' already. You're preaching to the choir, friend. If you feel nobody is listening, it's because we've heard it before. This doesn't mean you're right or wrong, it is what it is.

    5. We need solutions. A lot of your posts are all problems, which make it sound hopeless. And if it's hopeless then by definition there is nothing I can do about it, and if there's nothing I can do about it then why should I even read it?

    6. Internet forums have limitations. You're message can only grow so big here, and I think you've pretty much saturated the market. This is a testament to your dedication, but too much pepper spoils the roni.

    I say, take it easy on us (and yourself) for a while wiskas until we start behaving like unthinking consumer zombies again, and then you can sort us out.
  6. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    But look again, I've been giving solutions. (carefully monitor your own thought proccess after you read this statement, see where it takes you, no need to share what happens in your mind, it's just for you)

    http://www.tweak3d.net/forums/showthread.php?44986-Green-Workshop-Natural-Living.-(pix-galore)/page5

    You think this movie will make a difference? I don't think it will. When addiction, whether it be to drugs or a certain lifestyle/standard of living, is the problem, denial is the first line of defense that the addict
    throws up to block the trueth. Then comes hostility.
    I have literally counciled hundreds of hard core drug addicts and hope-to-die-alcoholics, I see the same mental proccesses during intervention with their dissease, as when bringing up the bullshit and lies that society is addicted to. Including name calling and discrediting. You start speaking out against a societies addiction to convienience and carefree ability to waste more than all other societies use and people react the same as when threatening an alky with forced detox.
    Besides, I already 'built my boat', you all can do as you wish.
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    wheezer Junior Member

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    Sorry, but this has been seen time and time again throughout the ages.

    There will always be those that say "see! I told you!...I predicted this wayyy back when...here is my proof!"

    *golf clap*....good for you....even Nostradamus got it right sometimes. Who the fuck cares? The truth is that life comes in cycles and if you study history you will see that, the difference between now and the rest of history?

    We have the internet for instantaneous communication.
    We have a 24/7 news cycle to report the doom and gloom.

    We have had a wave of prosperity since the late 80's early 90's that this generation took for granted because they were mere children and had mommy and daddy to shield them and now when the shit hits the fan they have no fucking clue how to deal with it.

    I really don't give a fuck what happens, I have my own problems to deal with, and putting them aside to worry about the "greater picture" does not keep a roof over my head or food on my table or the lights on.
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    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    Dude, you just made my point.
    The water will seek it's own level. Ponder that for awhile.
    I really don't have to say anything, if I were running with the pack, I probably wouldn't give a flying fuck and just keep it to myself. The fact is, I do care.
    Nothing I put out there is a real put-down to anyone, though it's taken that way. It threatens people, why, is up to them to pay heed to or ignore.
    I may be around another twenty years, probably not. This world that's falling apart is all your world, the world you get to live in and deal with then pass on
    to your prodigy. Why should I care? I don't have any answer to that except: " I just do". Though there are limits to that.

    Because I can't put out the millions it takes to produce a full lenth documentary movie, my message isn't as important though it's the same?
    Proof you say?
    "Just look everywhere" is what I've been saying, it's not hard to see.

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    very common was weezer's denial/defense:
    "when you're up to your ass in aligators, it's really hard to think about draining the swamp"
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  9. Torx

    Torx Indigenous Nudist

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    thanks for the heads up, ive been fiending for a new docu.
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    Bear Hoot!

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    Great documentary with a lot of interesting points but I didn't buy his personal issues he kept talking about towards the end.
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    Panzer Not a bitch any more

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    Wiskas you always make my day. I love hearing the voice of reason.

    Weezer you make a great point.
  12. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    If this has happened/seen "time and time throughout the ages" it signifies that we, as a species, are incapable of learning from previous mistakes of those that came before us. Not a very good reason to
    accept that we need to keep on doing the same and expect different results.