can you seriously not have a fucking opinion anymore?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by tex, Apr 8, 2009.

  1. ThatHideousStrength

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  2. Tacdriver

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    Both are funny but I ask again........this is what you base your opinions on? Do you actually think that a few idiots in the 1st clip represent everybody or a majority of viewers? 2nd, you educate yourself by watching The Daily Show and The Simpsons? YOU are your own cartoon...........place caption here. This is no different then my judging all Liberals/Democrats to you. That would be rude of me to think they are all like you..........I wish though.
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    Right back at ya, chief!
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    Bringing this back to the original topic of the boycott, the real reason for a boycott, doesn't even have to be simply bias, but because it is pretty clear that Fox News has been a mouthpiece for the Bush administration all along.

    Bias is one thing, and without a doubt MSNBC has a democratic bias, but until someone can show MSNBC has directly used republican talking points as "news" and until someone from inside the white house comes out and admits it was feeding MSNBC talking points, Fox stands apart in its failure as legitimate journalists and reporters of real news.

    YouTube - Proof Fox News Is Bush And GOP Network

    Will the boycott have an effect? I doubt it. Looking over the list of companies who have advertised on Fox, I can say I get my internet through Comcast, I drive a Subaru, I've shopped at Best Buy, owned a Toyota, have used Orbitz and Travelocity, and can't think why I should honestly stop.
  6. SoulAssassin

    SoulAssassin Car Ramrod

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    You people need to hug it out...both sides are full of shit. We need to bring the fascism back.
  7. Goofus Maximus

    Goofus Maximus Too old to be this dumb!

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    The Press Release Pass Off was actually pretty common with all the media outlets, as were the official "anonymous sources" briefings.
  8. Question. Is there a place one can get unadulterated news? Just facts?
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    The debate over mainstream media within the United States is unique and I am always interested in hearing American's opinions about it. Hence my enjoyment of this Tac-950 spat.

    But when I think about it seems that this massive mistrust of mainstream media and a persistent categorization of media as either hard right or hard left seems a uniquely American phenomenon in the broader context of all western countries.

    While Britain may have Sky News and Canada has Sun News, mistrust of media and media partisanship are not nearly as high as it is in the United States.

    So my question to Americans is if the media is so incredibly compromised in the United States, which I think is a reasonable conclusion, why not just get all of your news from outside the country? Why not rely on news sources from around the world that are so diversified they could not possibly be serving any one political agenda?

    Why bother with American media at all?
  11. Goofus Maximus

    Goofus Maximus Too old to be this dumb!

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    No such thing. History is always written by the winners. As long as human beings are involved, news will be skewed by human emotions.

    This is as true of British media as that in the US! :) I wish we had page-3 girls, though. Then it would all be worth it. Getting news from different sources is a good idea though, if only to understand how other folks are looking at things, compared to what we see here...
  12. ivanolo

    ivanolo Guest

    I just don't understand how what Americans call news works. For me news is, "a kid named Timmy fell down a well in Springfield. He was trapped there for several hours before his parents noticed he hadn't come home from school. The police was contacted and a search was initiated. They found him a day later. He was taken to a hospital. He suffered no injuries and is now doing fine." Then they interview the parents, the kid, and the authorities.

    The problem with that is most people wouldn't watch it. That's why high speed car chases are so popular, and why they spend a whole fucking day bringing in "experts" to start speculating about what really happened with the woman who killed her own daughter, the husband who killed his pregnant wife, etc.

    O'Reilly, Hannity, and Glenn Beck are popular because all they do is regurgitate their viewers' opinions, reinforcing them. They're opinion shows. They have no informational value, just entertainment. They're #1 because, let's face it, if most people who watch TV are like Tac, well... it's kind of self-explainatory.

    I read my news online, from different sources.

    EDITED to break the huge wall of text.
  13. Goofus Maximus

    Goofus Maximus Too old to be this dumb!

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    We're too mentally lax nowadays, so we don't differentiate between editorial and news (watch a jaywalking episode from the Tonight Show, and you can see the average American is dumber than dirt). Neither does the media here. Thus we end up with profit-driven sensationalism, Lazy journalism (back to the press-release-as-news-article again), and entertainment shows that pretend to be news shows.

    Even NPR succumbs to this trend. Science Friday is driving me batty with it's propensity to no longer cover science itself, but rather politics, using the science swirling around issues as justification.
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    QTF on both accounts!

    though the UK news can be pretty bad in itself. I'm fairly pleased with Canada's news reporting for the most part, both The globe and Mail and CBC do a half decent job.

    the best source for news is your own investigation of the facts.
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  16. Tacdriver

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    What sources? Explain yourself.
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    Oh, I didnt even read this thread...

    My god. Its even worse than the cyberspies thread. Haha.
  18. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    Associated Press....before the networks get ahold of it? I don't even trust that. I read outside (international sources) if any, see where the extreems are and figure the reality of any report, is in the middle somewhere.

    My friend EavanR, our distrust comes from everything being a scam in the USA. Every news article is a scam to sell something, wheather it be ideas, or products. Those of us with half a brain left, realize this and see it for what it is. This country got where it is by greed, plain and simple. Greed motivates the political cliimate, the political direction and , when the house of cards contructed by those of exceptional greed falls, we pay for the colapse and it's "rinse and repeat". "Nothing changes if nothing changes".
    Now, with globalized economy, the suffering is world wide even more than during the GD.
  19. Goofus Maximus

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    Heh. The USA; a wholly owned subsidiary of The People's Republic of China! :)
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    Just out of curiousity, what new sources does everyone frequent here?

    Almost Daily

    Globe and Mail
    BBC
    Google News
    Reuters
    Al Jazeera
    Toronto Star
    Democracy Now
    Reddit
    Digg

    3-4 times a week

    Salon.com
    National Review Online
  21. tex

    tex jive turkey

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    I think that may be the first thing I have agreed with you on :D
    And thats why my main source of news is the economist. I also watch cnn compulsively while I work out (which I would have to say is the most "balanced" news I have seen)

    google, reddit and digg are all just aggregators, and half of the stuff links to crap like huffington post.
  22. GRP

    GRP oh snap

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    woop woop
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    Jackalope NNNNEEERRRRDDDSSSSS!!!!!!

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    reason online
    gizmodo
    engadget
    jalopnik
    reuters

    in about that order :)
  24. ivanolo

    ivanolo Guest

    BBC
    Reuters
    El CarabobeƱo
    El Nacional
    El Universal
  25. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    It's thee only reliable news.
    Therein lies the problem in the USA. Most people are not interested in putting forth an effort to do anything at all (as is evident by the obesity rate amungst other things). They'd rather, and are willing to trade their freedoms for it, have it done for them. I got a kick out of the movie: "Idiology". It was a humorous look at a dire situation that is actually
    happening in a sence.