Can we do anything about Welfare ?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by integra00, May 26, 2012.

  1. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    My quote wasn't wishful thinking, they are doing a national health care system.

    Here is an exercise for you: List the nations that have a nationalized health care and ones that don't and then tell me which country you would prefer to live in.
  2. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    What exactly would qualify as a good time to do health care reform? When we pay down our debt? So never. When the economy improves? So you don't think health care has any negative affect on the economy right now? The people are hurting and small businesses are hurting, the current health care system isn't benefiting either (please correct me if you think that is incorrect).
  3. Greatbam

    Greatbam Junior Member

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    Here is another response from the "FUCKING RETARD". I am actually thinking about changing my name to it. It sounds kind of catchy.

    Here is tip for you buddy: You can't believe everything that you read, listen to, or watch on the internet. Your really going to believe whatever comes out of a socialist or communist government?

    Did you go visit China recently? Did they like brainwash you and send you back to the US?
  4. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    At first I thought you were a baby boomer but now I think you must be around 12 years old.

    Here is a tip for you, when you want to pursued someone or show them how you are correct in your thinking it's always helpful to provide facts. I'm not sure what the points of your posts are but they are a little lacking on substance let alone facts. Until you post something worth responding to I'm ignoring you.
  5. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    It should have been a gradual, multi-phased approach. We simply can't afford what's being done right now, plain and simple. I'll make you a deal though, if it works out as promised and reduces costs and all that jazz in the next ten years I'll fall on my sword and say that I was wrong.
  6. Greatbam

    Greatbam Junior Member

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    LOL, Soooooooooooo because we don't put health care as the number one priority than that automatically means that health care won't ever get fixed. LMAO!

    You want to know why Obama sucks it is because he has been thinking about getting re-elected since he stepped into office.

    In his first year he was more focused about getting health care bill passed than he was in getting the economy fixed.
  7. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    I can concede that a multi-phased approach would be the way to go but how is that now what the ACA does?

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/healthreform/timeline
  8. Greatbam

    Greatbam Junior Member

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    Thanks I feel complimented on both ends of the spectrum.
  9. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    Do you know how government works? I'll tell you. There are three branches of government, the judicial, the executive, and the legislative. One of them creates the laws, one of them enforces them and makes recommendations for new ones as well as directing government offices, and the other interprets the constitution and reviews laws.

    Guess which branch of government hasn't done shit compared to it's predecessors (all 111 of them)?

    So unless you think the presidency should be a dictatorship, I'd suggest you stay in school and learn how government really works before you comment on it.
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  10. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    Personally I think that a dictatorship or other totalitarian government will ultimately be necessary. It's like that guy that played Civilization for 10 years: "Because of the continual fighting, he was forced to abandon his democracy and adopt a communist state, because his Senate kept overruling him..." :)
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  11. Greatbam

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    I'm actually all for it. The military has a lot more competent leaders than those in congress. At least they are accomplishing things and the congress hasn't been able to pass a budget for how long?
  12. Greatbam

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    And If you are going to make military decisions for our country you should have AT LEAST served a year in it.
  13. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    Well I guess that excludes Romney and Ryan, now what are you going to do?

    And just so I understand your thinking: socialism and communism = bad but a dictatorship is ok with you?

    Lol, you must work for planters because only they would welcome a nut as big as you:p




    Oh and for the record, the constitution, you know the thing that is the supreme law of the land, doesn't state military service is a requirement for being president and I'm sure the founders had a good reason for that.
  14. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    We can ponder all this ad infinitum. The fact remains, as Goofus touched on, that the problem here is one of fiscal/economic unsustainability and a population bred into
    living in a house of cards on a foundation of debt and credit. This is the life designed for you, are you going to live it, or strike out on your own in attempts to find another way?
    If the status quo is sufficient to suffice in people's lives, they're part of the problem(s) and nothing changes (except to maybe get worse), if nothing changes.
    There's a huge movement of people that realize the futility of attempting to change anything from within the present system. They are the ones that are steping away from
    all the happy horshit and getting back to what is real. Is it easy? Fucks sake no it isn't. It's a constant swim against the tide but they're doing something rather than relying on bitching
    and bellyaching about it and are insulating themselves from the eventual house-of-cards-collapse.

    The sad fact is, that a thing will remain unsustainable until it's made to be sustainable.
    http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/unsustainable
  15. Goofus Maximus

    Goofus Maximus Too old to be this dumb!

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    I see all these responses that pretend we don't already have Universal Health Care, when actually we do, via a stupid kludge-like method. Poor folks wait until their sickness absolutely lands them in the Emergency Room. NOBODY gets turned away from the ER. Do they pay for this? NO! Hospital has bills for man-hours burned and equipment used. Who pays? The people who pay their hospital bills, and have to pay for $3000 aspirins. Who pays their bills? INSURANCE! How does Insurance recoup their costs? They CHARGE RATES THAT COVER IT!

    Get it yet? YOU ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE! Your companies are going broke over the healthcare costs BECAUSE OF THIS! Because we're three degrees removed from the costs we are paying, we are somehow pretending that these costs don't exist, and we aren't actually paying them. It's just like the food and poop thing. Out of sight, out of mind.

    What I would like to see, is a more RATIONAL universal health care. Don't like rationing? We are already doing rationing! We ration health care for poor people to just the ER! Preventative care for those folks, that could lower costs for us all? That would be SOCIALISM and/or COMMUNISM! Throw an "ism" in front of a name, and it is automatically BAD BY DEFAULT!!! :p

    The Affordable Care Act is a result of a divided majority opposed by a strategically uncooperative minority, being pushed by the Executive Branch to do something bipartisan, and get something passed. There is no way you're going to get a sensible law out of that morass... That is all I want. A sensible law dealing with universal health care. We don't have to have all this latest/greatest stuff. Just a simple 1940's-'50's level of family doctor access for everyone. If you want more, you can pay yourself for more, but at least have a bottom level for everyone to come to rest on.
  16. smirnoff

    smirnoff Curmudgeon

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    Sensible is your middle name. :)
  17. Greatbam

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    Well actually I had been more for Ron Paul (Served in the military) but he didn't get picked so can't really do a whole lot about that.

    I'm sure the founders had a good reason for not including universal healthcare in the constitution as well.
  18. Goofus Maximus

    Goofus Maximus Too old to be this dumb!

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    Pre Civil War health care was something to be avoided like the plague! ;) No antibiotics. No anesthetics. The barber was also the surgeon. Universal Health Care back then would be as welcome as Universal Bed Bugs...
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    smirnoff Curmudgeon

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    Probably because "medicine" was about as scientific as palm reading.
  20. Greatbam

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    Yeah and they probably thought that the general population would have enough common sense to vote for someone who would actually have a clue how to be a commander in chief. Generally the populous have done a pretty good job as 32 out of 44 = roughly 72%.
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    At least Romney is for the military instead of slash and burn like the current administration. War is only good when it is convenient for re-election purposes i.e. taking credit for killing Bin Laden.
  22. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    Once again goofus nails it.

    Yeah because we all know if there is one thing government needs to spend money on its on the military!

    /s
  23. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    Therein lies the problem today's voters are dealt: anyone that can do the job is too smart to or can't get funding to run. It's the same with the actual power players/congress.
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    ninefivezero infinite resolution

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    This is the most hilarious, absurd and childish discussion of politics/beliefs I have seen in a long time. LOL.
  25. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    :(