Can we do anything about Welfare ?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by integra00, May 26, 2012.

  1. integra00

    integra00 Junior Member

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    Seriously I'm soooo completely and utterly overwhelmed at seeing people on welfare collecting and abusing the system. I personally know of people that have several children work a minimum wage job part time (aka when they feel like showing up) have housing paid for , medical paid for (they go to doctor 3-6 times a month) then they have the latest clothes and electronics. Go on vacations and buy luxury autos. What is up with this ???? how can this stand. Isn't there anything we can do ?
  2. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    I used to get pretty bent out of shape about welfare until I realized how little it was costing us in the scheme of things. And I've heard/read that the amount we spend keeping losers off the street is a net gain ultimately as it helps to keep down the crime rate. But yeah, sure would be nice if there were some sort of hotline you could call to report abuses.
  3. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    It's a social disease that will bring this nation down. I don't care how the numbers are worked. This is a social virus and it spreads like wildfire. There is no inoculation, no vacine. I for one am tired of working my whole life to get ahead, only to watch exactly what integra discribed catch on and spread like wildfire. My only defense is to adopt a minimalistic lifestyle and recede from the game, thus observe it from the sidelines. Our nation is a laughing stock to the world. South of the border the only goal of most is to sneak acrost the border and breed. This garantees them food, shelter,
    medical and more than ten times the income they could posibly acheive at home. No fucking wonder there's an immigration problem and the feds can't keep up with the proccessing of immigrants.
    give me free food, free housing and free medical and I won't be so pissed. But us taxpayers do not count, our pockets are mistakenly bottomless. Perhaps things would change if there was a total taxpayer revolt. But who am I kidding, The citizens of this once great natiion are too scared shitless of the IRS, not willing to put forth true effort and lack any form of legitimate backbone to even think of going against the tide.

    To answer Integra's question: Yes, we can stop paying taxes and funding this mess. No funding, the problem will go away. We taxpayers just have to be willing to put our foot down
    and take back control. Will it ever happen? No
  4. Commissar Smersh

    Commissar Smersh 2020 Staff Member

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    Oh hooray, a 'wiskas quote while I wait for my dinner to cook.

    Pretty sure with how little you claim that you and your wife make, the two of you qualify for some sort of aid.

    Don't really think the US is the "laughing stock" but if it is, it's probably because of this.

    The US spirit has always been to provide a new life to the world's down-trodden. Emma Lazarus summed it up quite well:

    We have an immigration problem because Americans don't believe in manual labor anymore (see Alabama scaring off the illegals and the fields rotting because the unemployed refused to work them) and because white America is so scared of brown people that they refuse to even consider the idea of a migrant or guest worker program. Remember when the Irish weren't considered white? What about the Germans? Jews? Everyone should read this Salon article, it's an interesting opinion piece.


    Step 1) Stop funding the government
    Step 2) Government stops working?
    Step 3) ....
    Step 4) Somalia!



    This, kind of. I personally don't want to live through a Great Depression-esque time period where thousands are literally starving. Give me fat and entitled over dying kids and elderly.
  5. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    Why take what I do not need? I can provide for myself just fine without income that contributes revenue to the piggybank. I don't pay in, so I don't take out. I don't need welfare or have a need to justify it's existence. It was intended as an extreem emergency temporary aid to Americans.

    Welfare doesn't just apply to mainstreet people, it goes way deeper than that. Rich people
    take that same tax dollar too:




    Let's keep count: posts made by commie that are arguementative VS. posts made that are not.
  6. Torx

    Torx Indigenous Nudist

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    seems to be the latest trend down here too.

    everyones getting food stamps/welfare/ebt whatever it is even when they have no kids and a job.
    its like free money/benefits to anyone.

    needs to be some sort of stricter way to catch people or allow people to get these benefits.
    i dont like it because maybe one day i'll actually need to use it. but i see it as an abused system.
  7. HEAVY-D

    HEAVY-D Eh?!

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    Agreed Wiskas, Welfare goes far deeper than regular everyday people which I've been trying to point out for awhile now. We pick on the little guy because he's an easy target but we give wealthy welfare recipients who don't need any assistance (or if they do they were poorly managed) a free pass.
  8. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    Welfare is a pretty decent chunk, but I have no idea how to get rid of it at this point. Not all of it is about helping the needy, as Torx observed it's a lifestyle for some. Hate to say it but a massive natural selection event would probably be beneficial for our society and humanity as a whole. Just go watch Idiocracy again, Mike Judge is a prophet.

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  9. integra00

    integra00 Junior Member

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    Is the free healthcare that people on welfare get lumped into welfare or health care ? That break down pisses me off thinking of how much of my money doesn't help me at all. What is the money in health care used for ?
  10. Commissar Smersh

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    I guess bully for you not taking welfare but you have paid into the system already, back when you were working and paying taxes. Which I mean, most people would considering being without a stable and sustaning income for a half decade a need for emergency aid. I am curious though, do you not consider yourself fortunate enough to be in the situation you're in and be living in an area where you can grow a garden with ease and had the available land to do so? Most Americans, especially those living in urban environments, aren't that fortunate.

    Lol. As long as we keep count of wiskas posts that are full of hyperbole and blaming the man too.
  11. Commissar Smersh

    Commissar Smersh 2020 Staff Member

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    Also, double posting because this isn't directed just at wiskas / too lazy to edit.

    For those of you who complain about "not getting anything out of the system", write/call/email/tweet your congressman and senator and demand they pass universal healthcare. You're already paying into the damn system and people are already taking out of it, why not make the government work for you?
  12. integra00

    integra00 Junior Member

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    I'll tell you why, there isnt enough to go around. not everyone can have everything for free. Someone is going to have to pay. I'd prefer that each person pays their own way. not this bullshit of some mooching off others.
  13. Commissar Smersh

    Commissar Smersh 2020 Staff Member

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    You're already paying more to subsidize the uninsured. Read this it's written by medical students and underscores how society would benefit from this: http://www.amsa.org/AMSA/Libraries/Committee_Docs/CaseForUHC.sflb.ashx

    As for welfare, you need to treat the problem not the symptoms. You can get up on your soapbox and bitch and moan about how those laze _insert whatever group here_ aren't pulling their weight in society but it's not going to fix it nor is just taking away their support.
  14. MSP

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    It's the core of the liberal versus conservative debate. Unfortunately bleeding hearts aren't interchangeable with dollars, so there really is no debate at all.

    Just look at Europe. Germany produces stuff and has tons of money, and then there's Greece/Italy/Spain...
  15. HEAVY-D

    HEAVY-D Eh?!

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    To be honest, I'm sure our money is being spent in far more disgusting ways than welfare alone. As far as bleeding hearts are concerned both sides of the isle seem to have their fair share of them which is why both sides are getting BAILOUTS.
  16. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    The difference between welfare and the other pieces of the pie is that welfare recipients get their money/benefits directly. Who do you think is getting paid with all that defense and healthcare money? It's all welfare; it’s just that they go by another name.

    If you want to fix the problem you have to fix the underlying issue not the symptoms. For welfare you have to ask, why do we have so many people on it? You might say it's because of a lack of education but if everyone had a good education would the problems be fixed? Probably not, why? Because there aren't enough jobs available for all the educated people there would be if we had a better education system.
    Maybe there are a lot of people on welfare because there aren’t enough low paying jobs? Why aren't there enough low paying jobs? Because labor is cheaper overseas. So how do we fix that? Impose tariffs on imports? That could work but then you are raising the price of goods for the average citizen which means they either will need to work longer or get paid more to keep up with the higher costs. We could lower wages across the board and try to compete with China but how many of you could live on a few hundred dollars a month?
    What about using our position in the global economy to force other countries that import goods to pay their workers minimum wages that we set?

    Who knows maybe it's a combination of all the things above that will work, maybe it's none of them.
    The question I have is; so how many of the above options are being looked at and discussed by our government and our elected officials? If none of them are being discussed then what options are they talking about?
    If no one currently in government is talking about it what about those who are currently running for office talking about?

    Nothing?

    Well, that leads us to the real, underlying problem then doesn't it? We the people, indirectly, set the policies but if we the people aren't participating in the election process, in the policy discussion then what do you think is going to happen? A small majority will do what's best for them while everyone else is left hanging.

    We are the problem and we are the solution.
  17. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    Welfare is about political power. Call it a bribe, a token bone. The people who suck that particular tit will vote any way that the dictates of those in control of the entitlement demand.
    Medicaid/medicare comes from the dollars that you and your employer pay in the form of SS deductions. There goes a portion of your retirement dollars folks. the welfare debate is about a problem that has been known and accounted for in a dollar amount for decades. Yet not a damn thing has been done other than let/promote it getting worse.

    Yes Smersh, I do count myself amungst the very fortunate to be able to take care of my own needs. But this all started 6 months before my present circumstances. I was able to ween off of
    the societal model everyone holds so dear even without living where I now live, mainly out of neccessity. There was a two month period when I did need to draw foodstamps. I couldn't wait to get off of the assistance even though for the wife and I, the amount was nearly $900/month! For what we drew in two months, we had enough food money for 4 months.

    Most of what I preach has been the promotion of self sufficiency and you do not need to live out in the country to do that. Most people have just become too dependent on something other than themselves to survive. Our whole economy and society is based on debt and dependence on something other than ourselves. It's an addiction. This is what I've been campaigning about. The time is coming when there is going to be a collapse of those public assistance funds.....then what? There's a difference between hyperbole and simple observation. I'm capable of both. :eek:
  18. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    I doubt people on welfare vote in any amount of numbers that could benefit them in regards to welfare.

    Welfare is not a bribe, I've never heard a politician use welfare as a platform to get or maintain a political position.
    Welfare is merely a result of politicians trying to do good but not understanding the real problem.
  19. nidex

    nidex Hood Rich

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    I'm not a big fan of welfare myself, but it seems to me that it is almost a necessary evil. I might have said this before, but the Republican way of thinking is that if we get rid of welfare, everybody will be forced to get a job and the economy will grow, and the country will save money. Unfortunately in the real world, if we get rid of welfare, the lazy and "entitled" aren't going to just go and say "shucks, well now I guess I have to work! Let me start working on my resume"... they're just going to find other ways to scam the government, scam businesses, scam anything they can, rob/steal from those who DO work... and so forth. The crime rate would go up across the board, and the people who honestly do need it, and use it temporarily just to get on their feet/support their children while they find work, will get the short end of the stick. It's a tough decision to make when you look at the big picture.

    I applied for food stamps about 3 years ago because I got laid off from my job, had to pay rent, tuition, and basic life necessities. I was denied because I made the mistake of telling them that I was enrolled in school. If you go to college, even part time, even taking just ONE class, you are automatically denied. Isn't that some shit? Oh, you're going to school in order to make yourself a desirable person in the job market, so you can pay more into the system down the road? Denied. Sit on your ass all day, no job, no school, don't do shit? Sure, here's $400 a month to feed yourself... and have a once a month check while you're at it!
  20. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    Thus, another reason to be a prepper ;). You can only sustain the sustainable, is our national budget a sustainable thing as it is now?
    Nothing has really changed in the way bubbles are created and used by the top ten percent, nothing has really changed in a measurable
    manner from how it was in 2007. The economy isn't going to get better unless you buy into the mainstream media'a hyperbole and encouraging
    baseless outlook. That, and at the end of the year, Congress has to wield the budget ax again, and take action again, because they failed to
    meet any of the demands that got the last debt ceiling raise to avoid default on the national debt. (the biggest of the bubbles by far)
    They managed to get it all pushed aside until after the election, then what?
    http://www.usdebtclock.org/
    (notice that the debt is no longer 7.3 trillion)

    you add to that with constant shit like this and the welfare bebate is trivial: http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...ather-service-misappropriated-43-million?lite
    This all equates for millions like me to having to work today and pay taxes on what I make today while federal, state and banking employees get paid day offs. All for essentially nothing.
  21. thadood

    thadood I Am The Black Wizards

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    My guess? Credit cards are easy to obtain and these people don't care about their credit rating.
  22. Greatbam

    Greatbam Junior Member

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    Commissar Smersh Gold standard!
    Maybe because we don't want communism?
  23. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    Lol, universal health care isn't communism.
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    Greatbam Junior Member

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    Yes, your right universal health care doesn't equal communism. I would argue that it moves our society towards communism.
  25. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    And I'd argue that you are wrong and have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

    This country wasn't founded on any one ideology, it took the best from various systems and used it to make its own unique system. We have taking from capitalism and yet we aren't a pure capitalist society, we have taken ideas from socialism an yet we haven't become a socialist nation and I'm sure there are things from communism that we have taken from as well.

    If you believe in hyperbole then yeah I could see how one would be scared of any ideas taken from socialism or communism, I however understand that no one ideology is perfect and like the American people, the best come from a mix of ideologies.

    If you on the other hand, think providing health care to its citizens because they are currently being set back (guess what was the number one factor in bankruptcies used to be) is a bad thing and doesn't help keep this country not only competitive but also relevant, well then I'd guess you are of the baby boomer generation.