Armed protestors at Obamas town halls?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by ivwshane, Aug 17, 2009.

  1. ivanolo

    ivanolo Guest

    Why is it that when liberals protest, they're Anti-Americans, but when conservatives do it, they're patriots?

    Taking a gun to such an event is making a statement that they're ready and willing to start shit, like Scooby said.

    Right, right. Guns are incorrectly associated with violence, Lurker. :roll:
  2. tex

    tex jive turkey

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    Then we could post sensationalist news articles about that too! :p

    Even if it is his right, this is blatantly stirring up shit. Public carry like that is for defense, and I don't think you need to defend yourself from a town hall speech that obama is giving. especially when you're going off about refreshing the tree of liberty.

    and with regards to you guys saying "oh, i/he/she didn't know it wasn't automatic" - then don't assume. just say "gun". its as simple as that. "automatic weapon" is going to get a lot more attention than "gun" and everyone damn well knows that. This isn't even about guns, its more people trying to stir shit up
  3. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    There are so many instances of total propaganda type misinformation on the internet. daily, I get forwarded bullshit that is anti Obama, and it's totally ignorant to actually pay any kind of creedence to them at all. I'm not an Obama fan perse' but some people will buy into any kind of total bullshit if it supports thier anger issues.
  4. GRP

    GRP oh snap

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    You need a class III permit, I'll dig up the thread where I've gone over this before.

    e:Found it, just read my posts in the thread, there are numerous link explaining gun laws, and a nice debate with Dustin.

    http://www.tweak3d.net/forums/off-t...get-your-guns-while-you-can-42918/#post279302


    If the guy wants to stir the shit, let 'em.

    It's an easy mistake to make if the only guns you've ever been exposed to are the ones you see on TV.
  5. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    I think this is hilarious. Stirring up shit is the American way, Boston Tea Party anyone? When our rights are getting trampled on we have a tendency to react strongly, I wouldn't want it any other way.
  6. ShabazKillaX

    ShabazKillaX I'm an F18 bro

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    Why is it when liberals protest, Democrat politicians say they are vital to the debate, but when conservatives protest they're called Nazi's, disruptive, and un-American?
  7. Tacdriver

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    Didn't a faction in favor of Obama Care bus in a group of folks to a town hall debate? It was done by that good old grassroots organization ACORN. Why is that not considered manufactured endorsement?
  8. ShabazKillaX

    ShabazKillaX I'm an F18 bro

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    Don't forget about the SEIU (Service Employees International Union) thugs sent to these town hall meetings.
  9. ivanolo

    ivanolo Guest

    Did you not read the title of this thread? Is bringing a gun to a rally not disruptive if you're touting it and calling for an armed revolution?

    As for the "Nazi" part....

    YouTube - HatingnotDebating

    Since most of these protests are manufactured outrage, well, that's fucking un-American to me. Or perhaps it's as American as apple pie. I'm still not quite sure....

    Even if you're mad at something, there are ways of expressing your displeasure without yelling, profanity, or physical intimidation. Those just show a lack of an actual argument.

    I understand the culture of solving problems with guns. The problem is that we're not in the wild west anymore. We're supposed to be civilized.
  10. GRP

    GRP oh snap

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    There needs to be more thought and less feeling. At this point in time, this is not something that we can afford. There will always be sad stories in life, even if you hit 100% coverage (which you won't), there will always be some sort of crack to fall through.
  11. Tacdriver

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    YouTube - HatingnotDebating

    The man ripped the sign away because there was a rule............no signs allowed. Why was she allowed to have it in the first place? He was arrested for assault and the woman was escorted out for the violation. What that man did was being a Nazi? By the way, this incident is now being called a race related issue. Is that a civilized way to categorize it?
  12. GRP

    GRP oh snap

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    It was assault.

    I still don't understand what I really saw in the video though.
  13. tex

    tex jive turkey

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    Hell yeah its american. gogo capitalism.

    I think the "manufactured outrage" thing is getting overblown. For instance, the little memo from whatever the hell the rachel maddow blew open - of course people are going to write shit like that. doesn't mean every joe blow that happens to act like that is a paid corporate shill. I know a handful of people here that went to the teaparty stuff just because they heard it was going on and got pissed off about it.
    A lot of people are actually mad about this. Some of it is astroturfing, maybe even the beginnings, but a lot of the people going are honest to god going of their own accord
  14. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    I agree, not all of it is manufactured, however a lot of it is part of a carefully orchestrated ploy to confuse and spread misinformation and it's being perpetrated by corporate lobbyists. So while a good chunk of people are there on their own accord, they are mad as hell because they are being fed propaganda and being used.
  15. ivanolo

    ivanolo Guest

    Was the guy part of the staff at the event or just an attendee? If it was the latter, he has no right to destroy private property. He could've politely pointed out to the lady that there was a "no signs allowed" policy, or simply told the staff to deal with it.

    How can tearing up a Rosa Parks sign not be seen as racist? Even if that wasn't the guy's intention, he destroyed an image of a Civil Rights Activist. If destroying symbols is OK, what's the big deal with flag burning, then?

    The Nazi comparison is easy. Discrimination against a race or ethnic group was one of the characteristics of the Nazi regime.
  16. Chris

    Chris Raptor Jesus

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    She had a sign. Nobody else had a sign. It was ripped out of her hand. Her being black or white has nothing to do with this at all.

    There was no discrimination when she's the only idiot holding a sign at an event that had a clear rule of "NO SIGNS!".
  17. ivanolo

    ivanolo Guest

    The preceding paragraph you forgot to quote holds the clue....
  18. Tacdriver

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    What about the people bussed in by ACORN at a meeting in PA? I guess it's not all corporate. I'm certain these people know the real truth behind Obama Care. By the way when President Obama speaks about his plan, what is he saying? Damned if I can figure it out.
  19. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    Me neither. Try reading HR3200. The vagaries abound. I'm up in the air as to whether this is purposely overcomplicated, or too many lobbys' interests are being included for their bribes political contributions.

    IDK, I think there is a time and place to let the guv know that we, as a population, are still armed to the hilt. To present that fact to the prez in this way, may not be the form of tact that will get the point acrost. The press is bound to have a field day with this.
  20. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    Obama doesn't have a plan, he has a goal, "Obamacare" is just another GOP catchphrase designed to distract people from real debate.

    That is also why you and everyone else are confused about "obamas plan", when he speaks he speaks in general terms and not specifics. There are multiple bills being drafted and considered right now which is why Obama keeps calling for bipartisan support/input, he wants a good bill.
    Unfortunately because he doesn't have his own plan, I think, he is causing unnecessary confusion with the public. The dems, unlike bush and the GOP, don't have one voice and one message and it's hurting them right now,
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  21. tex

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    he still has/had (apparently public option is optional now) a goal, which would make the bills a plan to get there.
    I understand obama has not sat down and written out any bills himself, but people need to stop saying "well there is no obama plan so your argument is moot" - he is advocating certain things, and is the public face of healthcare reform (not to mention the president). I don't see how obama discussing (for instance) a public option and people arguing about that is "distract[ing] people from real debate"
  22. GRP

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    My dad has actually read most (if not all by now) of the bill. Yeah, how ever many thousand pages it is.

    He says that it's so incredibly complicated to find out if his plan qualifies that he had to read through five sections jumping around the bill, jumping around as he went. It's pretty ridiculous.

    *shrugs* That's part of the bullshit games you have to play to get shit done.
  23. Coleman

    Coleman fresh off the corner

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    A good part of the general public needs to read this right here ^^

    The House bill is insane. If anyone can read it and interpret it into a way that we all can understand, then that person should be the next czar that the Obamarama appoints.
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    Obama doesn't have a plan......he has a goal. Ok. I hate that statement. It bugs me. The president should be able to stand up in front of the people and explain the basics of this proposed bill shane. Something this costly shouldn't be blown off by him. I don't want my president basically telling me that it's either over my head and I can't understand it or that he can't break it down for me..............just pay for it you dumb voter. That is really fucking irritating. Just think about it.

    "I can't explain it, you wouldn't understand if I could explain it so, just shut up and pay for it. Just have faith that I have a goal."

    I'm not buying it.
  25. Goofus Maximus

    Goofus Maximus Too old to be this dumb!

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    Alas, he learned from the Clinton's attempt before him that that won't work either. Congress will let you have it on all sides, since they'll all be against SOME part of any plan.

    I don't think anything will get done in the end. Again. There's too much FUD out there, and too many interest groups, and too many hyped up idiots with big mouths and no brains who've been fed e-mail pablum from the many propaganda machines, and now run around calling Jews Nazis to their faces, and holding "The Tree of Liberty Needs Watered Again" signs with a gun strapped to their thighs.