Any Hunters??

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  1. ninefivezero

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    The amusing part is that most animal overpopulation problems are probably caused by people to begin with :p
  2. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    If a person cares to eat the swill passed off as food at mcDonalds, they are more than welcome. Likewise, the hormones and who knows what else
    goes into animals raised for higher weight production that's available in stores is yet to be prooven healthy. Trophy hunting is or should be a crime.
    I hunt to strenthen the population and I hunt, not for antlers, but for meat. The area I live in has been devoid of predators by the lame assed
    fraidy-cats that moved into the area that know absolutely nothing about the ballance of nature.
    first, it was outlaw the use of dogs to hunt the big cats. then the big cats population went haywire and cougars are seen in the rich neighborhoods.
    then it's kill all the cats, drive them out. Now the mountain lion gene pool is so polluted that hardly none survive. The same with the ceyotes and bears.
    Hunters have been fullfilling a needed part of the ballance of the populations. Only so many tags are issued for cats, bear, varmint, turkey and doe deer.
    The numbers are determined by populations. the need arose from the dessimation and erradication of the wolf populations that used to thrive in these parts.
    Currently, deer populations are skyrocketting. Almost as many get killed by cars: 1.5 million and $1.8 billion in damges compared to 1.7+ million bagged by hunting without the average 3600 dollar damage to cars and injury to drivers and occupants. http://www.synergy-pr.com/clientfiles/WFL%20newsletter%20Fall06_FNL-low.pdf, http://txtwriter.com/onscience/articles/deerpops.html,
    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/Oh_Deer.html?c=y&page=2
    http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2007/aug/17/disease-hits-tenn-deer-populations/
    They are searching people's yards in the middle of town to find enough forrage to make it through the winter.
    My ability to hunt takes care of three major benefits: 1) controlling population numbers, 2) keeping the bucks with the superior genetics affraid of people and
    populated areas, and 3) helps feed me and my family food that is not tainted with chemicals, hormones and drugs.
    The overpopulation problems currently realized in this area is as Fiddy said: "most animal overpopulation problems are probably caused by people".

    The hills all through this valley have been bought up by rich, retreating southern californians. it started back in the early 90's. Two decades later, all the prime deer habitat
    is fenced, irrigated and populated by humans. The deer have resorted to living in the lower elevations and have become quite prolific dining on gardens and landscpe shrubs.
    The trophy hunters migrated here the same time as the rich taking only the best genetics out of the pool. Myself, I don't give a lick about what size rack that critter sports,
    only how many pounds of meat it'll yeild.

    It's a shame that the study in Texas concerning The whitetail genepool isn't heeded by all fish and game departments. That study concluded that the geenpool is being polluted by only taking the threepoint or better bucks. at a long year (1 1/2 years old) a buck with good genetics should be a threepoint buck or better. The ones with spike of forks are genetically inferior and not "young deer' as popular belief. So, the sport hunter's lobby wins out, the big bucks with big racks are eliminated and the culls go on to proliferate. It should be a spike and forkedhorn hunt only, not the other way around. But as usual, the people with the gold make the rules dispite the lack of logic in what it is they want.
  3. 86mcss

    86mcss Devouring your Soul

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    i enjoy killing poor defenseless animals with my bow. it makes me feel like a big man :)
  4. ninefivezero

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    Bow hunting, that's the bad ass kind of hunting as far as I'm concerned.
  5. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    That's where we differ. I don't enjoy killing. I also don't enjoy seeing 3-5 deer togethwer and get plowed by a semi at 65mph or see animals drop in the snow
    or laying tits-up in the gutter smack dab in the middle of town. I find killing animals, even bugs unpleasant. When i see 1.5-3 million dollar homes covering the hills where those animals used to live out their lives in peace a much more unpleasant thing. Does thinning out a population make me feel like a man? fuck no. I am a man and men do unpleasant things when the need arises reguardless of the discomfort involved. Has anyone ever have to put down a pet? did it make you feel like a big man?
    A bow is an inefficient way to dispatch an animal. Basically you shoot, hit, then follow the blood trail until the animal bleeds out. Most bowkills i heard of were gutshots that required one or two more shots.....IF.....you didn't loose the animal.
    Unless you can luckily manage to get that razortip through the ribcage and take out the heart, dropping the animal instantly. I'd rather touch one off and do an instant kill rather than repeatedly wound one to death with razor tipped arrows.
  6. Panzer

    Panzer Not a bitch any more

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    Bow vs. Shot is a whole different and difficult discussion mr. wiskas. I agree that animal populations need to be controlled because of the imbalance due to human interference. I also agree that it's our responsibility to make sure that our kills are done as humanely as possible. (and yes kills can be done humanely) But I disagree that bows are inefficient. I do agree that your shot has to be more carefully placed than a rifle, but isn't the aim just as important as a rifle based hunter? At this point we could argue the damage of a good razor broad-head vs. the hyrdo-shock of a 7mm impact, but both are designed for maximum damage, and both need the point of contact to inflict that damage.
  7. Sparky

    Sparky ¿sdooɥʍ

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    Here's a hunting tip I just picked up on the interwebs: Chihuahuas have a soft spot on their heads FOR LIFE!
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    I'll drop hammer on an asshole without hesitation......Bambi's and the like ...not so much. My Father took me out once when I was about 13 to help clear out the "Whistle Pigs" as he called them at our local airport and I just couldn't drop the hammer. I was never a hunter. Perhaps now I could but I don't wish to do so. Certain humans are worthy because they have the choice to act a certain way.....animals act on instinct. I respect that more I guess. Killing to live is different. Killing because you will eat the animal is acceptable but, killing to make a trophy to me is absurd and gross.

    Don't get me wrong. I have NO problem with hunters......I'm just not one.
  9. mistawiskas

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    The answer may end up being chemical castration for controling deer populations. That shit scares the hell out of every logic circuit in my head. Since when has a beaurocrat
    been able to decide what's good for nature? Populations soared after curtailing and putting pressure on to curb hunting. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6835501/
    Hunters, for the most part, don't kill for profit and follow a code of ethics. I agree that trophy hunting is the wrong motive for taking an animal's life. I feel the same about monetary gain being the motive.
    What really gets me is when someeone suggests that "this is the 21st century, there's no need to hunt when there's a McDonalds on every corner".
    As though this is better for animals.....this is the way that meat gets on the store shelves and at the mickeydees:
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    Seems kinda hipocritical to claim hunting is wrong because it's
    hurting poor defenseless animals when done by any other than a vegetarian. Now doesn't it.
  10. HEAVY-D

    HEAVY-D Eh?!

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    I agree Wiskas glad you brought this up. IMHO hunting is a basic skill all should learn for self reliance. Wild animals are not defenseless it's the farm raised ones that are as shown in those pics. Hunters don't always get their prey many times they walk away empty handed.
  11. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    This.

    I'm a borderline vegetarian at this point. What do they call someone who only eats fish? I'm 90% one of those, only occasional beef, chicken, or pork.
  12. GRP

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    Sup Mosin buddy? you should check the stamps on your rifle, a lot of them have history (or spent the war in cosmolene like it looks like yours did).
  13. GRP

    GRP oh snap

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    I'm disappointed. See Wiskas posts.
  14. mistawiskas

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    D said the whole principal: "self reliance".
    In large part, the self reliance of hunters is greatly provided for by urban sprawl. The neccessity for controled hunts is greatly enhanced by the resulting overpopulation.
    Game animals, and any animal for that matter, is not as defenseless as people would like to believe. They are not creatures of solely instinct. Has anyone ever watched two fawns playing, or watched a doe teach her offspring how to problem solve? Animals have the ability to think better than most modern urban people. It's frustrating when policy and statutes are put in place by those who've never even witnessed critters in thier habitats whether natural or adopted. There is also the creation of an unballance by such ignorance. Take PETA for example. good cause in theory. But in real life not beneficial. Animals thinking is based on what works and not emotions. they have emotions, but thier core behavior is not ruled by it. You don't think animals have emotion? then what's this (looks like glee and joy to me):

    [video=youtube;0ulaTI_JMPk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ulaTI_JMPk[/video]

    then there's the flipside where civilization overtakes the elk's playground:

    [video=youtube;KHJaHe5evj8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHJaHe5evj8[/video]

    In essence, hunters have to clean up the mess that civilization created.
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    I should have been more clear: Only in that bow hunting is more work than using a gun, and thus a bit more sporting. Other than that, I think wiskas is pretty much on.
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    I ran over another rabbit today. Go me!
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    YOU SHOULD HAVE DROVE INTO THE DITCH AND KILLED YOURSELF111!!!

    /PETA

    :p
  18. mistawiskas

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    The thing that gets me, is people believe that hunters are cold and heartless animal haters. For the most part, the opposite is true. All hunters I have ever known, except one, has been good stewards of the wilds and of the animals. Most care more for animals, than for people. Myself, I don't even kill bugs without good cause because they are here for a reason and serve their purposes well. you'll never find an animal, fish or bug screw one another over just for shitzengiggles or any other species over just to one-up or make a dollar. I hold the Native American beliefs and actions concerning their stewardship of the land and all creatures of the land and sea in the highest esteem and admiration. My role models for my interactions with the Earth have always been the ancients of the Americas. That theology was well portrayed in 'Avatar'. It was probably the most important parts of the movie to me. what the hunter and the good stewards are up against is the capitalism monster. "the sky people have sent us a message: that they can take what they want, and we can't stop them". well, the "sky people" have created a situation where there's a horrible imballance in nature. what is their sollution? Not anything to do with support for the second ammendment, i'm here to tell you. Their sollution to the calamity they brought about with greed and the need to have the biggest chunk of land on the hill, is to chemically castrate the animals they have forced off the land. That is paramount to poisoning the animals and will have unforseen consequences.....I'd bet my bottom dollar it'll backfire. Every time the office ass sitters make policy to fix nature, they screw it up worse....every time. nature is not what's broken, don't fix it, fix the real problem.
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    my last comment was just to get a rise out of you guys by the way lol
  20. mistawiskas

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    An Ethical Hunting Dilemma
    OK, so you're out hunting and it's the beginning of the rut, bucks and does are
    running around like they have no brain whatsoever, you know your buddy
    is in the next blind over and you're both hoping to get a deer on opening weekend,
    when all of a sudden you look out to your left and see this.....
    gay001.jpg

    .....What are you supposed to do?
    Do you shoot the one with the bigger rack.......or the gay one?
  21. j0k3r

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    I wonder whose idea the threesome was. Since there are two bucks, I am assuming it was the doe's. That dirty little tramp.
  22. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    My buddy Ed is a bow hunter. He's not quite as bad ass at Ted Nugent, but pretty close.
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    The Nuge is a fool. My dads cousin used to be a hunting guide in the Alaskan bush, and Ted hired him. I guess the guy wanted to go bow hunting for a grizzly, and was a total clown.
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    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    But is it nature, or nurture? :p

    Then it's a good thing he was a bow hunter. I wouldn't want a high powred weapon in the hands of a wild lunatic.